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FinalFantasy
03-21-2007, 12:03 PM
AK-74 Guide

Introduction to the AK

Many people complain that the Ak-74 has horrible aim, bad recoil...However, using the Ak is all about getting the feel of the weapon. First of all, what is the AK-74? The AK-74 is among SF's "rifles", as is the M4, the AN94, the M16, and the G36. It ranks among the SF community as a great weapon to use, but with bad recoil and more difficult for newcomers. However, once mastered the AK is easily the best weapon (IMO) out of SF's current cache. The best thing about the AK is that it's great for impatient people. Extremely good at rushing, it's always on the front line and the chance of you dying there is minimal compared to other weapons.

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This is a picture of the AK's Stats

Pros


-most powerful weapon in terms of damage per bullet / recoil among the Rifles group

-easy to get kills, recoil is easy to control if experienced

-able to kill from long range, contrary to popular opinion

-rate of fire is easily one of the best, behind the M4 but nearly identical to the M16.

-once mastered, people using the AK will come out on top

-no need of any secondary weapon, it's clip size of 30/120 will definitely last an entire round

-when you shoot at someone, ANY shots that you land screws up the enemy's gun/rifle. This is an added bonus against killing snipers and such


Cons


-recoil is 2nd worst out of the Rifles group, hard to control if new

-REALLY heavy. So heavy that it's a must to run with a secondary weapon or a knife when rushing

-recoil blows when not crouched

-once you lose control, you're dead meat

-it costs 33,000, one of the more expensive primary weapons



Getting the Hang of the Recoil


One of the biggest problems for must AK-74 user's is the recoil. Arguably the only rifle with bad recoil, people unable to handle the recoil of this gun will definitely quit. First of all, the best combatant against recoil is to CROUCH. You can crouch by pressing (and holding) the Ctrl key. This is important to the AK-74's accuracy. In game, you will notice that any respectable AK user crouches when shooting, unless behind a box, etc. This affects the AK's crosshairs by alot. When standing and unloading a clip into some poor guy, it's easily noticed that the crosshairs of the Ak goes way out of proportion.

However, when crouching the crosshairs barely spread out, creating an easy target square. Therefore, ALWAYS crouch when shooting at someone. A good tip would also be to crouch before you shoot. Crouching after you shoot only makes it worse. Also noticable is that your gun slowly goes up when spraying, regardless of whether you stand up or you crouch. This won't be a big problem once you play a couple of games.

One dilemma that always confuses some people is that once they get their gun shooting, the crosshairs zoom out, making it really difficult to aim. Note: DO NOT CONTINUE SHOOTING. This just ensures that you're dead and they're not. Try getting back behind cover, wait for the crosshairs to resume their original position, then pop back out and fire. If you're in open space, try getting as close as possible to the enemy, to reduce the risk of missing.

When to Spray, When to Single Shot


Spraying, or continuously holding your left mouse button, is a great way to kill people extremely fast. It takes about 1.5 seconds to kill the average player up close if all bullets land on the target. However, there are certain situations where spraying is frowned upon. Some examples:

-when you're behind a box or any other cover
-when you're standing up
-when the target is far away/ hiding behind something

In these cases, spraying just causes you to waste your bullets. Therefore, it would be advisable to single shot. Shooting single shots, or rapidly clicking your mouse button, increases your accuracy by a minimal amount, because it reduces how high your gun goes up (recoil). Use single shots when you're behind cover (boxes and such).

A great example for this is when you're behind the box in Shanghai, where the red team attempts the rush out through the narrow passage and onto the docks. Rapidly click the mouse whenever someone attempts to rush or get past the box. This ensures free kills because you're behind the box, where it's difficult for people to shoot at, and they aren't

Another way to kill using single shots is when you're behind a window (Shanghai's windows are great places for this). Rapidly click at any passerbys who try to rush past you. Therefore, look for places such as those when you're in a game. Like spraying, there are certain situations where clicking is just a death wish. Some examples:

-when you're out in the open and close to your opponent
-when you're being doubleteamed
-when the target is up close

However, there is a middle ground. When single shots just dont work, and neither does spraying, then there's another viable solution: bursting. Bursting means that someone sprays for a few seconds, regains their bearings for a moment, and continues shooting. However, I recommend getting used to either spraying or single shots due to the fact that there are undeniable negatives in using burst fire.

Some people say that burst fire is weak. Using burst fire allows someone the regain their control after 4-5 shots. This is difficult because the aim of the AK has to be readjusted every time there is a stop, because there's recoil when firing and a lack of recoil when stopping. Inevitably, it will always take longer to start firing than wanted.

What would be better would be a continuous fire of single shots, where the recoil is easy to handle and the mouse is easy to control. This is much better than bursting, because it allows for a stream of bullets to be fired at the enemy, rather then a few shots, break, a few shots, break. Even bursting does not guarentee that the shots will slant left or right. Some of you may have noticed when spraying, bursting, or any time of style that requires you to hold down the left mouse, the AK's bullets may swerve left or right. I know for a fact that this does NOT happen when rapidly clicking one bullet at a time. At far ranges, realize that enemies are having as much difficulty killing you are you are killing them. So why not single shot when they try to spray? This overall makes bursting much more weaker at long distances where people are more likely to "burst", thinking they can kill the enemy, than shooting shots one at a time.


Section Dedicated to Killing Snipers

A big problem for AK users are snipers. Most of the time, they one-shot kill you when you're running, making it annoying and tedious to avoid them. The most important component against snipers is to JUMP. Jumping is essential against snipers, because it makes you that more difficult to aim at. I wouldn't recommend jumping if you lag, because it makes you slower, if only for a second. If the sniper is behind cover, it would be advisable to sneak up behind them(if you can) or keep on jumping and rush them.

Here's a tip that may or may not work for all of you players out there: Try switching to a knife while running/jumping in zigzag lines (when approaching snipers). You always have to be cautious of other teamates, but there is a big noticable difference between jumping with an AK and jumping with a knife. However, time yourself to switch back to the AK when the time is right - specifically, when you get close enough in which you feel that you have enough time to aim and kill successfully. Once again, zigzag lines are stressed. As one person noticed, it's also possible to do a combination of jumping/crouching/running. This gives you the advantage of unpredicatability.

Up close, snipers are no match for the AK's power and rate of fire. However, this doesn't mean that you should relax...sniper's may tend to pull out a shotgun/pistol. If that's the case, rush them quickly, keep them behind the box and kill them before they have a chance to shoot. Also note when a sniper reloads. It takes snipers the longest time to reload, and this happens quite frequently, since they only has 5-10 shots per magazine. When a sniper ducks down longer than he/she is supposed to, immediantly rush them before they finish reloading. For the Fr-F2, listen for when they shoot. It takes then around 1-2 seconds before they can aim and fire again, so use that time wisely. Many matches are won by listening to the click-click of an FR-F2 and knowing what to do.

It would be advisable to spray a sniper when he/she is in full sight/ and to single shot a sniper when they are running or partly behind cover, or when you yourself are behind cover. Lastly, it is important that the sniper can see as little of you as possible. This means you must ALWAYS hide behind something when not rushing, no exceptions. Crouching out in the open trying to kill a sniper is a death wish. Also, try to run/jump in a zigzag line. Doing that makes it annoying for the snipers, wh are trying to line up their crosshairs with your body. Running in a straight line makes you an easy target for snipers.

Equipments

Equipments in SF mean little to an AK-74 users. However, if you wish to buy one, buy something that's actually USEFUL. Probably the only thing you should buy is Body Armour, Boonie Hat for SAS, or the helmet. However, note that although the Body Armor and Helmet each gives protections against projectiles coming from 30 meters away (really only helpful against snipers), it also reduces your speed by 0.5. Seems like a little, but you WILL notice it ingame.

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This is the body armor for
SAS ONLY. However, there
are similar armors per force,
just different colors but same
stats.

As a result, people using SAS force should be recommended to buy the Boonie Hat, which increases speed by 0.5. This cancels the speed drop out, and still provides you cover from snipers. Usually, the Body Armour will reduce the damage from a normal 100 points (1hko) to 92-99 points, which leaves you with 1-8 hp. It doesn't seem like alot, but it helps. Equipments are buyable the same place you buy your character- in the Character Shop.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2534/bonniehatstatsau5.th.png (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bonniehatstatsau5.png)
Bonnie Hat. Only exclusive
to the SAS force...as you can
see, its stats is a perfect
match for the body armor.

Caution: it takes around 7-10k recharge before you yourself recieve money for filling up the recharge bar, so make sure you don't waste your money as to having less than 5k left. if you have the money, buy a grenade. They are helpful against glitchers and killing your glitching teamates xD.

Using the 3rd Person POV (Point of View)

A somewhat underestimated advantage, the 3rd Person POV is extremely good at three things:
1.scouting
2.you see them, they don't see you
3.shooting at people as they pass by...

In a normal game without the 3rd Person, the only way to know what's going on in your field of vision is to pop up behind something. 3rd Person POV changes it all. With that, you can still hide behind a box, press the q button to enter 3rd Person, and be able to see everything that's going on.

Although 3rd Person POV seems to be a tactic with no disadvantages, there are some. NEVER use 3rd Person when fighting someone. This blocks your view, because when the opponent and you line up, all you can see is their name, because your own character is blocking them. This makes it that much harder to aim. So when do you use 3rd Person? Simple. When you're behind a box of sorts, crouch down so NO ONE can see you, zoom out by pressing q, and wait there. When someone pops out from behind a corner, zoom back in and shoot them.

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This would be an example
of the 3rd Person POV.
Note how you're still crouched
but you can have a 360 degree
vision. Only works in games
that have 3rd Person POV
turned on though ^_^

However, if you're new, give yourself a few seconds to orient yourself after the change. The difference between the two modes is obvious, so often when you zoom back in you find yourself staring at the box you're hiding behinds. Besides boxes, you can hide behind a wall, zoom out, and view the people running up and down WHILE still behind the wall. When someone gets close enough for you to know they'll pass you, zoom in and wait for them.

The best way to use 3rd Person POV to the maximum efficiency is to get behind a box, zoom out, crouch, and just wait there. Sooner or later, opponents will come rushing down upon your position, not expecting anyone to be there because they don't see anyone. READ THIS: EASY KILL. When they come rushing past you, wait a few seconds for them to pass, just in case you see another teamate following the first. After you're sure that there's no one else coming, zoom in and follow them from behind. Quickly kill them, and get behind the box if you're sure no one saw you. If someone saw you, don't go back to the box, you're going to die.

With this strategy, it is possible to rake up to 6 kills at once (maybe more if you're lucky) with out dieing at all, and with 100 hp left. Remember that if you're cover get's blown, quickly zoom back to first person and run to another position.

How to Combat Glitchers Ingame


If you know where a glitcher is (trust me, you will know), try to camp out that site while keeping yourself out of range of the glitcher. If you're on defence and the glitcher is the last man, camp out while your teamates complete's the objective. When they come out, kill them. Another way would be to throw grenades. When a grenade explodes, the glitcher get thrown up, where in some cases will expose the glitcher's head. Immediantely switch to the AK, and spray the heck out of them. Note that this tactic only works for several spots.

Otherwise, if you can't do anything else, avoid the particular spot. Often, there are multiple paths to one place. If you meet any other type of glitchers (yes, there are more), your best bet would be to hide from their POV, wait for them to pop out of wherever they were glitching, and spray them.


Conclusion/Credits

The AK-74 is a worthwhile weapon to use. Remember to crouch before firing, etc. If I missed anything, please let me know. Credits to me and to all the forumers who've noticed errors along the way, not to mention Ijji and Dragonfly for hosting and creating the game.

~IGN: Impact/plox

pssmaster
03-21-2007, 12:06 PM
first post seems nice :)

shaddowmonkey21
03-21-2007, 08:14 PM
best way to use ak for distances escpecially!!

is to aim, don't move so cross heirs vry close.
then shoot in spurts like tap mouse instead of holding it down
SiL3ntkilL3r

TheWoiks
03-21-2007, 08:45 PM
MS-13..I've had you on my team a couple times before.

TheWoiks
03-21-2007, 08:48 PM
Hmm. I have never tried the AK out yet. I'll porbably buy it when i get enough SP.

FinalFantasy
03-21-2007, 09:17 PM
Lol....Well, nowadays, my computer's power supply runs low....it shuts off every couple of hours, much to my frustration. Oh well, I plan on going to Best Buy and getting a new power supply, because I can't play WoW with it xD. I spaced out the guide a bit to make it more readable. Enjoy!

~MS-13

Evil_scotsman2.0
03-22-2007, 12:31 AM
I love the ak. Recoils not much of a problem, I tend to fire in bursts seeing as how it takes 2-3 shots to kill, someone on average at a medium distance. About 10-15 meters I tested on a noob, killed him in two shots every time.

FinalFantasy
03-22-2007, 12:36 AM
Hmm. I have never tried the AK out yet. I'll porbably buy it when i get enough SP.

Haha. At the rate SP recharge is going, you'll NEVER get enough SP xD
Kudos to all that have reviewed...I take comments very seriously, and I'll try to update according to them.

~MS-13

Yamato [NM2R]
03-22-2007, 04:11 AM
Right, mention AK is amazing for rushing.

Never stall time with it.

(Yamato)

TheWoiks
03-22-2007, 10:11 AM
Haha. At the rate SP recharge is going, you'll NEVER get enough SP xD

~MS-13

Hm. I have 30k left from when I started. :D

Skylinescott
03-24-2007, 08:56 AM
Wow...good Guide...Must Of Taken Some Time To Type Lol

maretaga
03-24-2007, 12:19 PM
very nice guide ^^ but i still cant believe ppl say that the aim of an ak74 is bad... i killed multiple snipers in long range battles with my ak ^^ really a great guide ^^

7runx
03-24-2007, 12:21 PM
Pro Guide! Thanks mate, im looking to save up and sell my aug and either wait for new guns to come out or buy an AK, this helped my decision. Press Rep + lol.

MistahKdog
03-24-2007, 06:11 PM
i like ak-74 best mid-way gun

switchblade1010
03-24-2007, 10:34 PM
VERY nice guide! I am an Ak user myself, and you have covered all the bases of usage very well, great guide for beginners and experienced players as well!

SF_sniper01
03-24-2007, 11:34 PM
i look forward to using an ak

Rubedo
03-25-2007, 12:06 AM
It's a good guide. As a P90 user, let me contribute this: My experience with the AK-47 leads me to believe it is invincible on small scale combat. But in the chaos of a sixteen-man war you better be careful. The AK's limited ammo often leaves you vulnerable to the enemy team once you kill about two people. But if it's you and two other players who don't use AK, M4, or MG36, you have very good chances of beating them both.

FinalFantasy
03-25-2007, 12:47 AM
Thank you very much for your positive reviews. Although I have taken a hiatus on the Ak-74, I still feel that it's the best weapon out there. However, note that I am now using a p90......and it is amazing, to tell you the truth. Expect a future post on p90 tips. Trust me, the p90 is great!

~MS-13

maretaga
03-25-2007, 03:09 AM
Lets hope othe ppl will make othe threads about other guns ^^ i once made a new account with a PSG and an AUG and i suck real bad with those 2 weaps xD

Suinodrak
03-25-2007, 05:01 AM
AUG is tough to use, yeah, someone really ought to write a guide on that gun.

Nice guide op.

FinalFantasy
03-25-2007, 05:14 PM
AUG is tough to use, yeah, someone really ought to write a guide on that gun.

Nice guide op.

Well, I don't write a guide unless I'm real sure of what I'm doing, because it's really embarrasing when you write for something you don't know about. I play w/ a gun for a few weeks, then write up a guide on it. That helps alot when you're trying to create tips and all.


~MS-13/SneakPeak

Omaso
03-25-2007, 11:51 PM
Thanks for the guide.

someone991
03-26-2007, 04:00 AM
nice guide to the ak-74,i agree with what you posted and it makes sense,especially coming from a sniper. But what if u run zig-zag and i just aim to where your body is gonna be and shoot?

sorry if i sound like a critic.

anyways the guide works for me,but so far i find all the guns good accept the machine gun...its scope is just useless.Thou flashy...(5points flashy,1point accurate) =.=


Weaps Tried:Aug(Not Bad),M4(Good Recoil),M16(Good Rate-of-Fire),Ak-74(Accurate),PSG(1Shot),mp5(Sniping),P90(Spray^^), Bene(So-So),Bretta(Not Bad),Glock(Not Bad),MG36(Far-Range Noob)


IGN:Charlie_unit

FinalFantasy
03-26-2007, 07:08 PM
nice guide to the ak-74,i agree with what you posted and it makes sense,especially coming from a sniper. But what if u run zig-zag and i just aim to where your body is gonna be and shoot?

sorry if i sound like a critic.

anyways the guide works for me,but so far i find all the guns good accept the machine gun...its scope is just useless.Thou flashy...(5points flashy,1point accurate) =.=


Weaps Tried:Aug(Not Bad),M4(Good Recoil),M16(Good Rate-of-Fire),Ak-74(Accurate),PSG(1Shot),mp5(Sniping),P90(Spray^^), Bene(So-So),Bretta(Not Bad),Glock(Not Bad),MG36(Far-Range Noob)


IGN:Charlie_unit

Well, there is no absolute foolproof way to dodge a sniper, if that's what you're referring to. However, what I find is effective and will lower the chances of you getting shot is to jump in unpredictable paths. Note that you can change direction while jumping, which confuses people who prefer to lie and wait for you to jump into their scope. However, to combat against quickscopers, I would recommend using the terrain as best as you can. If there are no terrain, then just crouch and shoot if your close enough. Opponents recieve recoil when hit with a gun like the AK/M4. Killing quickscopers is much more difficult than the norm. Another way to kill them is to throw a smokie. It works just as well as a flash, with that added bonus of creating a hiding place.

However, one bad place you DONT want to be jumping around anytime soon is the Shanghai dock. There is an extremely annoying place where snipers hide behind (the single box). A great way to mess them up would be to throw a smokie. When they duck down to wait for the smokie to clear up, rush them with an AK. If they choose to run, kill them. If you dont have a smokie, try to arrange yourself so that the opponent can be partially seen. Snipers who hide behind that box aren't exactly immune. If you are inside the storage, their body will be facing you. If you could sneak past and out of the warehouse and up behind the single boxes in front of the warehouse without the sniper knowing, they often will have a small part of them showing. NEVER show more than your head, and even then duck down immediantly. Kill them asap before they see you.

Taking down a sniper is all about avoiding a sniper's gaze. Try t kill them where they least expect to be killed. Remember, if you can see a sniper, it's a fine chance that they can see you too.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Bongin
03-26-2007, 08:58 PM
terrible thread. one of the worst ever.

B-Death
03-27-2007, 01:08 AM
Nice guide. I actually jump randomly and back step a lil to dodge snipers but still. I dont crouch to kill and i still own - just stand still :thumbsup:

maretaga
03-27-2007, 06:41 AM
Nice guide. I actually jump randomly and back step a lil to dodge snipers but still. I dont crouch to kill and i still own - just stand still :thumbsup:

Lately i also just stand still when i shoot:thumbsup: but it always gets me killed:lolz: i'll just stick with crouching

someone991
03-27-2007, 08:21 AM
terrible thread. one of the worst ever.

Erm...You dont have the right to insult other peoples work this harshly,he spent quite a while making it...and i give him credits that he bothered spending so much time.

anyways,i believe every gun has their own advantages and dis-advantages so its just how you use it.

thus ends my conclusion...bye

BloodFox
03-27-2007, 08:44 PM
This is a good guide. Though the only good weapon is the one held by an experianced player. Stick with any weapon long enough and your holding the best weapon for you.

FinalFantasy
03-27-2007, 10:39 PM
Nice guide. I actually jump randomly and back step a lil to dodge snipers but still. I dont crouch to kill and i still own - just stand still :thumbsup:

Well, despite what I recommend, there are still people who feel their way is better. Actually, I agree with that. What I state here is what I prefer and what feels easier for me. If you think your way is easier for you and more effective, go for it.

~MS-13/AK-74

Yamato [NM2R]
03-28-2007, 05:33 AM
Thats the problem, I find the P90 horrible.

I can kill with it, but killing with the M4 or AK is alot easier.

(Yamato)

theo97
03-28-2007, 02:37 PM
http://Sunset



half of the ppl here have headshot as avatar its pretty weird

ms1max
03-28-2007, 08:44 PM
Section Dedicated to Killing Snipers

A big problem for AK users are snipers. Most of the time, they one-shot kill you when you're running, making it annoying and tedious to avoid them. The most important component against snipers is to JUMP. Jumping is essential against snipers, because it makes you that more difficult to aim at. If the sniper is behind cover, it would be advisable to sneak up behind them(if you can) or keep on jumping and rush them.

Up close, snipers are no match for the AK's power and rate of fire. However, this doesn't mean that you should relax...sniper's may tend to pull out a shotgun. If that's the case, rush them quickly, keep them behind the box and kill them before they have a chance to shoot. Also note when a sniper reloads. It takes snipers the longest time to reload, and this happens quite frequently, since it only has 5 shots per magazine. When a sniper ducks down longer than he/she is supposed to, immediantly rush them before they finish reloading.

It would be advisable to spray a sniper when he/she is in full sight/ and to single shot a sniper when they are running or partly behind cover, or when you yourself are behind cover. Lastly, it is important that the sniper can see as little of as possible. This means you must ALWAYS hide behind something when not rushing, no exceptions. Crouching out in the open trying to kill a sniper is a death wish. Also, try to run/jump in a zigzag line. Doing that makes it annoying for the snipers, who are trying to line up their crosshairs with your body. Running in a straight line makes you an easy target for snipers."


while your guide is good, i have to disagree (i disagree wit 50% of wut u said here) with u in the sniper killing section. Firstly Jumping is not essential and in many situations will cause u to die more often, especially when u are agianst a pro. Secondly i disagree with spraying when the sniper is in full sight and single shotting a sniepr when they are running. Instead i think it is a better idea to single shot when they are still and going auto when they are runnin because then u will have a better chance of hitting them.

FinalFantasy
03-28-2007, 08:55 PM
[SIZE="3"]while your guide is good, i have to disagree (i disagree wit 50% of wut u said here) with u in the sniper killing section. Firstly Jumping is not essential and in many situations will cause u to die more often, especially when u are agianst a pro. Secondly i disagree with spraying when the sniper is in full sight and single shotting a sniepr when they are running. Instead i think it is a better idea to single shot when they are still and going auto when they are runnin because then u will have a better chance of hitting them.

Well, whatever suits you best. However, for the sake of competition, I will list reasons why what you said is wrong.

Firstly, You say that jumping is not essential and will cause you to die more often. Naturally, as an AK user, we do not jump while shooting. However, what I'm talking about is when APPROACHING a sniper. We all know that jumping is that much harder to hit than a running target. It is then relatively simple to jump crouch and fire when you feel that you're close enough. While it isn't essential, it is definitely a harder target then a running one.

Secondly, you state that you disagree that spraying when the sniper is in full sight/singles a sniper when running. These are my reasons for stating this: When a sniper is in full sight, controlled fire is much, much faster than just clicking. Yes, you may say that it reduces recoil, but recoil is easy to handle, and every milisecond counts. It does make a difference when you 0.3 seconds away from dying and you kill the sniper rather than dying. Why not take advantage of the fact that their out in the open, and stop clicking? I'm not saying that they are STILL, but that they are out in the open and free to shoot at. I'm assuming you misinterpreted it, because your saying when they're still, while my guide is talking about them being in full sight.

Now you disagree with single-shotting a sniper who is running. While I can understand why you say that, I am speaking of the majority of the time when you are standing behind a window or cover and STANDING up. I may have failed to specify, but it is MUCH easier to single shot when standing up than to spray when standing up. Standing up and using single shots drastically reduces recoil, which is needed to make sure every shot lands on its mark. When you go auto, unwary users will find their gun going out of control. I'm saying that it is much easier (and with near-same effects) to single shot than to spray when standing up and facing a moving target.



~MS-13/SneakPeak

Timothy
03-28-2007, 09:35 PM
i dont find the recoil a problem at all :)

ms1max
03-28-2007, 10:09 PM
Final Fantasy, even if you were up close jumping is not essential. This is because when your jumping you stay in the air, unable to move for 1-2 seconds and in this time the only thing you are able to do is shoot making yourself an easy target to hit (if your firing it will make it harder for the sniper but you are still easier to hit). Secondly i say spraying when the target is in full sight is a bad idea because the majority of your bullets will miss (assuming you are a couple meters away from the target) instead of hitting the target therefore making it a better idea to burst or go single shot. and i wont disagree with you on the last point but i would like to say that your explanation on this in you guide is very vague and requires more explanation for example in your guide u say "spray a sniper" and now here you are saying "controlled fire".

TheGamerDisclaimer4321
03-28-2007, 10:30 PM
MS-13's AK-74 Guide

Introduction to the AK

Many people complain that the Ak-74 has horrible aim, bad recoil...However, using the Ak is all about getting the feel of the weapon. First of all, what is the AK-74? The AK-74 is among SF's "rifles", as is the M4, the M16, and the G36. It ranks among the SF community as a great weapon to use, but with bad recoil and harder for newcomers. However, once mastered, the AK is easily the best weapon (IMO) out of SF's current cache.


Pros and Cons


Pros


-most powerful weapon in terms of damage per bullet among the Rifles group

-easy to get kills, recoil is easy to control if experienced

-able to kill from long range, contrary to popular opinion

-rate of fire is easily one of the best, behind the M4 but nearly identical to the M16.

-once mastered, people using the AK will come out on top

-no need of any secondary weapon, it's clip size of 30/120 will definitely last an entire round

-when you shoot at someone, ANY shots that you land screws up the enemy's gun/rifle. This is an added bonus against killing snipers and such


Cons


-worst recoil out of the Rifles group, hard to control if new

-REALLY heavy. So heavy that it's a must to run with a secondary weapon or a knife when rushing

-recoil blows when not crouched

-once you lose control, you're dead meat

-it costs 33,000, currently the most expensive Primary weapon



Getting the Hang of the Recoil


One of the biggest problems for must AK-74 user's is the recoil. Arguably the only rifle with bad recoil, people unable to handle the recoil of this gun will definitely quit. First of all, the best combatant against recoil is to CROUCH. You can crouch by pressing (and holding) the Z key. This is important to the AK-74's accuracy. In game, you will notice that any respectable AK user crouches when shooting, unless behind a box, etc. This affects the AK's crosshairs by alot. When standing and unloading a clip into some poor guy, it's easily noticed that the crosshairs of the Ak goes way out of proportion.

However, when crouching the crosshairs barely spread out, creating an easy target square. Therefore, ALWAYS crouch when shooting at someone. A good tip would also be to crouch before you shoot. Crouching after you shoot only makes it worse. Also noticable is that your gun slowly goes up when spraying, regardless of whether you stand up or you crouch. This won't be a big problem once you play a couple of games.


When to Spray, When to Single Shot


Spraying, or continuously holding your left mouse button, is a great way to kill people extremely fast. It takes about 1.5 seconds to kill the average player up close if all bullets land on the target. However, there are certain situations where spraying is frowned upon. Some examples:

-when you're behind a box or any other cover
-when you're standing up
-when the target is far away/ hiding behind something

In these cases, spraying just causes you to waste your bullets. Therefore, it would be advisable to single shot. Shooting single shots, or rapidly clicking your mouse button, increases your accuracy by a minimal amout, because it reduces how high your gun goes up (recoil). Use single shots when you're behind cover (boxes and such).

A great example for this is when you're behind the box in Shanghai, where the red team attempts the rush out through the narrow passage and onto the docks. Rapidly click the mouse whenever someone attempts to rush, or get past the box. This ensures free kills, because you're behind the box, where it's difficult for people to shoot at.

Another way to kill using single shots is when you're behind a window (Shanghai's windows are great places for this). Rapidly click at any passerby's who try to rush past you. Therefore, look for places such as those when you're in a game. Like spraying, there are certain situations where clicking is just a death wish. Some examples:

-when you're out in the open
-when you're being doubleteamed
-when the target is up close

Section Dedicated to Killing Snipers

A big problem for AK users are snipers. Most of the time, they one-shot kill you when you're running, making it annoying and tedious to avoid them. The most important component against snipers is to JUMP. Jumping is essential against snipers, because it makes you that more difficult to aim at. If the sniper is behind cover, it would be advisable to sneak up behind them(if you can) or keep on jumping and rush them.

Up close, snipers are no match for the AK's power and rate of fire. However, this doesn't mean that you should relax...sniper's may tend to pull out a shotgun. If that's the case, rush them quickly, keep them behind the box and kill them before they have a chance to shoot. Also note when a sniper reloads. It takes snipers the longest time to reload, and this happens quite frequently, since it only has 5 shots per magazine. When a sniper ducks down longer than he/she is supposed to, immediantly rush them before they finish reloading.

It would be advisable to spray a sniper when he/she is in full sight/ and to single shot a sniper when they are running or partly behind cover, or when you yourself are behind cover. Lastly, it is important that the sniper can see as little of as possible. This means you must ALWAYS hide behind something when not rushing, no exceptions. Crouching out in the open trying to kill a sniper is a death wish. Also, try to run/jump in a zigzag line. Doing that makes it annoying for the snipers, wh are trying to line up their crosshairs with your body. Running in a straight line makes you an easy target for snipers.

Equipments

Equipments in SF mean little to an AK-74 users. However, if you wish to buy one, buy something that's actually USEFUL. Probably the only thing you should buy is Body Armour, Boonie Hat for SAS, or the helmet. However, note that although the Body Armor and Helmet each gives protections against projectiles coming from 30 meters away (really only helpful against snipers), it also reduces your speed by 0.5. Seems like a little, but you WILL notice it ingame.

As a result, people using SAS force should be recommended to buy the Boonie Hat, which increases speed by 0.5. This cancels the speed drop out, and still provides you cover from snipers. Usually, the Body Armour will reduce the damage from a normal 100 points (1hko) to 92-99 points, which leaves you with 1-8 hp. It doesn't seem like alot, but it helps. Equipments are buyable the same place you buy your character- in the Character Shop.

Caution: it takes around 7-10k recharge before you yourself recieve money for filling up the recharge bar, so make sure you don't waste your money as to having less than 5k left. if you have the money, buy a grenade. They are helpful against glitchers and killing your glitching teamates xD.


How to Combat Glitchers Ingame


If you know where a glitcher is (trust me, you will know), try to camp out that site while keeping yourself out of range of the glitcher. If you're on defence and the glitcher is the last man, camp out while your teamates complete's the objective. When they come out, kill them. Another way would be to throw grenades. When a grenade explodes, the glitcher get thrown up, where in some cases will expose the glitcher's head. Immediantely switch to the AK, and spray the heck out of them. Note that this tactic only works for several spots.

Otherwise, if you can't do anything else, avoid the particular spot. Often, there are multiple paths to one place. If you meet any other type of glitchers (yes, there are more), your best bet would be to hide from their POV, wait for them to pop out of wherever they were glitching, and spray them.


Conclusion/Credits

Ak-74's, if used correctly, are the best guns in SF. Remember to crouch before firing, etc. If I missed anything, please let me know. Credits to me xD

~IGN: MS-13






i think mp5 is good because they have no recolil and good power if ur burst shoot and if u jump shoot it dossnt mess up ur aim :rofl:#$#^%#@!#$%^*&( =)

hiddentrails
03-28-2007, 10:33 PM
OOHOOH!! Ibought armor(helmet and body armor) and got two recharges after, and still hav 18 days left!!! armor iss good but may not be worth it....man is m16 weak or wat?(comprared to the ak)

FinalFantasy
03-28-2007, 10:37 PM
When you jump, you are still moving fowards, except you're just in the air. If you feel like jumping in the air is longer, that's what we call "lag". You're even more an easier target in you run, because the sniepr can just aim at where you will be. When you're jumping, note that you can still change directions midair, which is a great way to avoid snipers.

You say that the majority of the bullets will miss. HOWEVER, it takes just 3-5 bullets to kill a sniper, which is child's play if your adequate with the sniper. Although I do realize that my explanation on snieprs is vague, at that point I wasn't very in-touch with sniping, and I wanted only sure facts. The sniper section has been updated.

To Hiddentrails: yeah, the m16 is weak, but many see it as a good prerequisite to the AK, because they are SORT of similar....in a way xD. Naturally, the m16 is MUCH weaker than the AK. Whether you buy armor or not, it all depends on you, as I have stressed in the guide.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Tofu Gamer
03-31-2007, 03:57 AM
Not really of quality. You are actually focusing on several points which I consider that you shouldn't do so, it is almost just like being Biased. The points were 'Talking abut SAS, not other', 'Focusing on Shanghai, not other'. However, you get 7/10 Points!

D3S
03-31-2007, 07:26 AM
nice thread! i agree with you on everything as i am an ex ak user(used for 2 months, even in closed beta).

The guide seems thorough enough for anybody. However, i sold my ak and bought m4.
I realized this when i made a few noob accounts to try out weapons before i buy them because i got tired of the ak. I bought and tried every weapon but i thought m4 is the best. Its light so you dont need to use a secondar wep. its strong and has a very fast rate of fire and its extremely accurate.(infact make an m4 guide, my ingame is D3S and i can help you make it if you want).
You forgot to put ak's number one problem. It can completely go out of control, happens when you shoots at somebody, you think you are hitting the person but the crosshair is going crazy and hitting the wall around the person.

theo97
03-31-2007, 12:37 PM
MS-13's AK-74 Guide

Introduction to the AK

Many people complain that the Ak-74 has horrible aim, bad recoil...However, using the Ak is all about getting the feel of the weapon. First of all, what is the AK-74? The AK-74 is among SF's "rifles", as is the M4, the M16, and the G36. It ranks among the SF community as a great weapon to use, but with bad recoil and harder for newcomers. However, once mastered, the AK is easily the best weapon (IMO) out of SF's current cache.


Pros and Cons


Pros


-most powerful weapon in terms of damage per bullet among the Rifles group

-easy to get kills, recoil is easy to control if experienced

-able to kill from long range, contrary to popular opinion

-rate of fire is easily one of the best, behind the M4 but nearly identical to the M16.

-once mastered, people using the AK will come out on top

-no need of any secondary weapon, it's clip size of 30/120 will definitely last an entire round

-when you shoot at someone, ANY shots that you land screws up the enemy's gun/rifle. This is an added bonus against killing snipers and such


Cons


-worst recoil out of the Rifles group, hard to control if new

-REALLY heavy. So heavy that it's a must to run with a secondary weapon or a knife when rushing

-recoil blows when not crouched

-once you lose control, you're dead meat

-it costs 33,000, currently the most expensive Primary weapon



Getting the Hang of the Recoil


One of the biggest problems for must AK-74 user's is the recoil. Arguably the only rifle with bad recoil, people unable to handle the recoil of this gun will definitely quit. First of all, the best combatant against recoil is to CROUCH. You can crouch by pressing (and holding) the Z key. This is important to the AK-74's accuracy. In game, you will notice that any respectable AK user crouches when shooting, unless behind a box, etc. This affects the AK's crosshairs by alot. When standing and unloading a clip into some poor guy, it's easily noticed that the crosshairs of the Ak goes way out of proportion.

However, when crouching the crosshairs barely spread out, creating an easy target square. Therefore, ALWAYS crouch when shooting at someone. A good tip would also be to crouch before you shoot. Crouching after you shoot only makes it worse. Also noticable is that your gun slowly goes up when spraying, regardless of whether you stand up or you crouch. This won't be a big problem once you play a couple of games.


When to Spray, When to Single Shot


Spraying, or continuously holding your left mouse button, is a great way to kill people extremely fast. It takes about 1.5 seconds to kill the average player up close if all bullets land on the target. However, there are certain situations where spraying is frowned upon. Some examples:

-when you're behind a box or any other cover
-when you're standing up
-when the target is far away/ hiding behind something

In these cases, spraying just causes you to waste your bullets. Therefore, it would be advisable to single shot. Shooting single shots, or rapidly clicking your mouse button, increases your accuracy by a minimal amout, because it reduces how high your gun goes up (recoil). Use single shots when you're behind cover (boxes and such).

A great example for this is when you're behind the box in Shanghai, where the red team attempts the rush out through the narrow passage and onto the docks. Rapidly click the mouse whenever someone attempts to rush, or get past the box. This ensures free kills, because you're behind the box, where it's difficult for people to shoot at.

Another way to kill using single shots is when you're behind a window (Shanghai's windows are great places for this). Rapidly click at any passerby's who try to rush past you. Therefore, look for places such as those when you're in a game. Like spraying, there are certain situations where clicking is just a death wish. Some examples:

-when you're out in the open
-when you're being doubleteamed
-when the target is up close

Section Dedicated to Killing Snipers

A big problem for AK users are snipers. Most of the time, they one-shot kill you when you're running, making it annoying and tedious to avoid them. The most important component against snipers is to JUMP. Jumping is essential against snipers, because it makes you that more difficult to aim at. I wouldn't recommend jumping if you lag, because it makes you slower, if only for a second. If the sniper is behind cover, it would be advisable to sneak up behind them(if you can) or keep on jumping and rush them.

Up close, snipers are no match for the AK's power and rate of fire. However, this doesn't mean that you should relax...sniper's may tend to pull out a shotgun. If that's the case, rush them quickly, keep them behind the box and kill them before they have a chance to shoot. Also note when a sniper reloads. It takes snipers the longest time to reload, and this happens quite frequently, since it only has 5 shots per magazine. When a sniper ducks down longer than he/she is supposed to, immediantly rush them before they finish reloading.

It would be advisable to spray a sniper when he/she is in full sight/ and to single shot a sniper when they are running or partly behind cover, or when you yourself are behind cover. Lastly, it is important that the sniper can see as little of you as possible. This means you must ALWAYS hide behind something when not rushing, no exceptions. Crouching out in the open trying to kill a sniper is a death wish. Also, try to run/jump in a zigzag line. Doing that makes it annoying for the snipers, wh are trying to line up their crosshairs with your body. Running in a straight line makes you an easy target for snipers.

Equipments

Equipments in SF mean little to an AK-74 users. However, if you wish to buy one, buy something that's actually USEFUL. Probably the only thing you should buy is Body Armour, Boonie Hat for SAS, or the helmet. However, note that although the Body Armor and Helmet each gives protections against projectiles coming from 30 meters away (really only helpful against snipers), it also reduces your speed by 0.5. Seems like a little, but you WILL notice it ingame.

As a result, people using SAS force should be recommended to buy the Boonie Hat, which increases speed by 0.5. This cancels the speed drop out, and still provides you cover from snipers. Usually, the Body Armour will reduce the damage from a normal 100 points (1hko) to 92-99 points, which leaves you with 1-8 hp. It doesn't seem like alot, but it helps. Equipments are buyable the same place you buy your character- in the Character Shop.

Caution: it takes around 7-10k recharge before you yourself recieve money for filling up the recharge bar, so make sure you don't waste your money as to having less than 5k left. if you have the money, buy a grenade. They are helpful against glitchers and killing your glitching teamates xD.


How to Combat Glitchers Ingame


If you know where a glitcher is (trust me, you will know), try to camp out that site while keeping yourself out of range of the glitcher. If you're on defence and the glitcher is the last man, camp out while your teamates complete's the objective. When they come out, kill them. Another way would be to throw grenades. When a grenade explodes, the glitcher get thrown up, where in some cases will expose the glitcher's head. Immediantely switch to the AK, and spray the heck out of them. Note that this tactic only works for several spots.

Otherwise, if you can't do anything else, avoid the particular spot. Often, there are multiple paths to one place. If you meet any other type of glitchers (yes, there are more), your best bet would be to hide from their POV, wait for them to pop out of wherever they were glitching, and spray them.


Conclusion/Credits

Ak-74's, if used correctly, are the best guns in SF. Remember to crouch before firing, etc. If I missed anything, please let me know. Credits to me xD

~IGN: MS-13

I did this to annoy u lol

FinalFantasy
03-31-2007, 02:04 PM
Not really of quality. You are actually focusing on several points which I consider that you shouldn't do so, it is almost just like being Biased. The points were 'Talking abut SAS, not other', 'Focusing on Shanghai, not other'. However, you get 7/10 Points!

Well, thanks for the constructive critism. I apologize for sounding biased, but the SAS part was just an example, and Shanghai also. If I can find the willpower to edit the guide, I'll do so with that in mind.

nice thread! i agree with you on everything as i am an ex ak user(used for 2 months, even in closed beta).

The guide seems thorough enough for anybody. However, i sold my ak and bought m4.
I realized this when i made a few noob accounts to try out weapons before i buy them because i got tired of the ak. I bought and tried every weapon but i thought m4 is the best. Its light so you dont need to use a secondar wep. its strong and has a very fast rate of fire and its extremely accurate.(infact make an m4 guide, my ingame is D3S and i can help you make it if you want).
You forgot to put ak's number one problem. It can completely go out of control, happens when you shoots at somebody, you think you are hitting the person but the crosshair is going crazy and hitting the wall around the person.

Well, I suppose one could say that it mixes in with the Recoil section. Anyways, I added that, because it can't do any harm now xD

Made some edits to various sections of the guide after rereading the posts, so I hope it turned out oK.

NEW SECTION: Using the 3rd Person POV. Skip it if you already know what it's about and how to use it, a must-read if you don't have a clue. Then again, everyone can still read it anyways just to check up on stuff xD.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Ihtzxbrian
03-31-2007, 05:03 PM
There final.. 5 star rating and a comment lol

Yamato [NM2R]
03-31-2007, 05:06 PM
Haha, its really detailed.

I just started with the AK -.- I can do everything, execept VS either M4 users or P90

(Yamato)

ps123123
03-31-2007, 07:08 PM
Thank you very much for your positive reviews. Although I have taken a hiatus on the Ak-74, I still feel that it's the best weapon out there. However, note that I am now using a p90......and it is amazing, to tell you the truth. Expect a future post on p90 tips. Trust me, the p90 is great!

~MS-13

yep i totally agree i love the p90 :lust: i think its the best gun of them all. next to nothing recoil.......... 50 round clips...........awesome acc. all u peeps out there get a p90 when u got enough sp. ya hear me? i know where all u live. and i know where u sleep at nite. so get one or else...................


LOL

FinalFantasy
04-01-2007, 11:39 AM
yep i totally agree i love the p90 :lust: i think its the best gun of them all. next to nothing recoil.......... 50 round clips...........awesome acc. all u peeps out there get a p90 when u got enough sp. ya hear me? i know where all u live. and i know where u sleep at nite. so get one or else...................


LOL

lol....once I can start playing the NA version of SF, I'll take another week or two to get used to it >_>. Japanese SF is just that much laggier than NA one....especially if you're on a new map.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

HelpfulMember
04-01-2007, 04:06 PM
Wow. Nice guide....recoil section helped me alot. Zzz....off to play japanese version :clap:

Kitiara
04-01-2007, 09:05 PM
Nice Guide... I love long-ranging with an AK... if a sniper is poking out from behind cover, u can usually get a couple bullets into him before he can get his scope on u. By then you're behind cover hopefully. Repeat this and you can get some very angry snipers and see some colourful language ^^.
9/10

Epidemic
04-01-2007, 11:22 PM
Nice Guide... I love long-ranging with an AK... if a sniper is poking out from behind cover, u can usually get a couple bullets into him before he can get his scope on u. By then you're behind cover hopefully. Repeat this and you can get some very angry snipers and see some colourful language ^^.
9/10

That's what I do, and it seems to be working =D. From distance a 3-4 shots, in burst, is all you need.
~Epi

PUGS
04-01-2007, 11:27 PM
yup agreed but if u want to consistantly hold down and be accurate use the m4

gameboyredpoo
04-02-2007, 12:45 AM
ak guide? Just call it the cheap gun guide, it kills in like 3 hits, deadly accurate the first few shots and it fires amazingly fast. good guide though, nice use of ur time.

pl4y4
04-02-2007, 09:34 AM
sweet guide now i can pwn all the ppl in jSF = D

lilpeterr
04-02-2007, 03:26 PM
Took me likje 10 min. to read but, it's worth it.

TravisPwnedAll!_!
04-04-2007, 01:25 AM
That one nice gun !_!_!



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/chinkyballa7/Sigs/sasuke2-1.jpg

Ryoku
04-04-2007, 09:39 AM
Heh, I started trying to use AK and this guide definetly is pretty much got everything you need to know..

Helped me. xD

FinalFantasy
04-04-2007, 05:13 PM
Thank you for all of your replies. Been a while since I fixed it and stuff >_>. Um, by the end of this weekend, I'll probably post some pictures to go along with it. Not sure if the post will be too long though. We'll see xD.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

sylver
04-04-2007, 09:42 PM
i've already read and reread it (im an ak user) and i never use the pov part, everything else i pretty much use and yes, i;m a second lieutenant and it's great, you had everything, (almost) 9 out of 10

AkTachi
04-05-2007, 05:41 AM
I just burst a few shots, and they're pretty much dead.

FinalFantasy
04-06-2007, 03:28 PM
i've already read and reread it (im an ak user) and i never use the pov part, everything else i pretty much use and yes, i;m a second lieutenant and it's great, you had everything, (almost) 9 out of 10

Thank you! I would recommend using the POV, because it does create easier gameplay. People may see it as cheating, but I see it as a tactic, a neccesary and inventive tool to help players have fun.

I just burst a few shots, and they're pretty much dead.

Yeah, I find that happening quite often too. Makes you wonder if the AK is as hard as it is made out to be xD

________________

Unfortunately, it seems that my computer doesn't allow me to upload pictures for some reason. I've tried at least 100 times already these past 3 days and it just won't upload. While I try some more, hope the pictures will be up either today or tomorrow T_T. Once again, feel free to post replies, even if you have nothing to say, haha.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

oOSouLOo
04-06-2007, 04:01 PM
Good Guide i really like it im giving u a good reputation xD

Soldier_Elite_2
04-06-2007, 06:21 PM
Why buy the AK? The M16 is better. Yah, the damage isn't as great, but it's got less recoil and less weight.

Yamato [NM2R]
04-06-2007, 06:44 PM
But it can't aim either.

M4 > AK > P90 > M16 imo.


(Yamato)

Channel_1
04-07-2007, 02:31 AM
Good job Final Fantasy.

Only one thing to add on the anti-glitching part. Don't know if someone already added this as I haven't looked through all of the pages. :lolz:

When you know there is a glitcher in a hummer, truck, or car, you can usually shoot the car and it will penetrate through to the glitcher. You might not be exact in your aiming as you cannot see the glitcher (unless his gun nuzzle is sticking out) but you will get him eventually, esp. if you are using a sprayer like a PDW90. I am not positive this method works 100% in all maps, however glitchers in the truck at Desert camp can be shot this way, and grenades thrown at the the truck not only propel the glitcher up in the open air, but also harm him, as the truck sides are not solid enough to prevent damage.

Crates are immune to nade damage, but they too will propel the glitcher if they land close enough.
:king: My 2 cents worth.

Gyrel
04-07-2007, 12:36 PM
Nice guide, Final Fantasy.

I just so happened to install SF when it was down.:doh:

So, since I was bored and stuff, I read your guide on the AK, as I was planning to use it.

When SF came back, I got the AK, played a few games and actually killed 4 people in my first ever games using your tips.

Than you for making such a useful guide (for us nubs, anyway)

-Gyrel

Vox
04-07-2007, 02:54 PM
I would recommend the AK. Just give it time if you don't have a natural talent for it.

FinalFantasy
04-07-2007, 10:58 PM
Well! I finally got rid of my laziness and posted pictures of several sections. As they say, a picture speaks a thousand words! Hopefully this will help those who still feel insecure about their style of gameplay. Remember, constructive criticism is welcome xD.

@vox: yes, it works around corners, haha xD

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Vox
04-07-2007, 11:01 PM
I never thought of using the 3rd POV thing. Nice idea. Does it works for looking around corners?

Malevolence
04-07-2007, 11:32 PM
Beautifully written guide Final :) You have included nearly everything to help beginners as well as some essential tips for the more experienced players. The guide successfully establishes a basis for what one needs to master the AK. This basis includes important tips to help anybody become an expert.

Like Vox said, learning and mastering the AK can take time. Some points that I would like to reiterate: Single shots are usually preferred when you're going one on one, always crouch before you begin shooting, and controlling recoil.

Well, once again, nice guide. 10/10.

Vox
04-07-2007, 11:37 PM
Also, try not to shoot then crouch. The crosshair gets huge.

Yamato [NM2R]
04-08-2007, 10:10 AM
I realized that burst with AK is extremely weak, mind explaining?


(Yamato)

Vox
04-08-2007, 10:40 AM
I noticed that, but I don't know why.Also, I noticed that single shot is pretty strong. I try to stick within spraying distance though, so I don't know about that.

TryIt
04-09-2007, 07:20 PM
Great Post!!! Im an AK user and im pretty good...sort of. Just use the tips and think smart. Be courtious and pay attention and you'll do just fine with the AK cuz its an awesome weapon. I hardly ever get less kills then deaths. (shang is harder)

Vox
04-09-2007, 07:21 PM
Actually Shanghai and Desert are my best maps for AK. Well 80% of the time I play those 2 maps.

TryIt
04-09-2007, 07:21 PM
POV owns!! I always use it when its on!!! People get frustrated then u can rush pretty easily also!

TryIt
04-09-2007, 07:24 PM
Single shot works. Just dont stand in the middle.....it explains itself...Ive killed many snipers with the AK

Proe
04-09-2007, 07:25 PM
To made Far Shots , i shot 5 bullets (wait a sec) and shot again 5 bullets

FinalFantasy
04-09-2007, 09:35 PM
To made Far Shots , i shot 5 bullets (wait a sec) and shot again 5 bullets

Well, there is a reason as to why burst is "weak" and I'll explain it right here. First of all, burst is what you're saying up there. Shooting for a bit, stopping, and starting again, This is difficult because you have to readjust your aim every time you stop, because there's recoil when you fire and no recoil when you stop. Inevitably, you will always stop longer than you wanted to, because it takes time to refire and reaim.

What would be better would be a continuous fire of single shots, where the recoil is easy to handle and the mouse is easy to control. This is much better than bursting, because it allows for a stream of bullets to be fired at the enemy, rather then a few shots, break, a few shots, break. Even bursting does not guarentee that the shots will slant left or right. Some of you may have noticed when spraying, bursting, or any time of style that requires you to hold down the left mouse, the AK's bullets may swerve left or right. I know for a fact that this does NOT happen when you rapidly click one bullet at a time. At far ranges, you must realize that they are having as much difficulting killing you are you are killing them. So why not single shot when they try to spray you? This overall makes bursting much more weaker at long distances where people are more likely to "burst", thinking they can kill the enemy, than shooting shots one at a time.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Vox
04-09-2007, 09:39 PM
I still say control spray still works pretty good for medium range. It depends on the range. Like do you mean like from that tunnel to the boxes on the dock? (In Shanghai) Or like across the open middle area on Desert?

FinalFantasy
04-09-2007, 09:49 PM
I still say control spray still works pretty good for medium range. It depends on the range. Like do you mean like from that tunnel to the boxes on the dock? (In Shanghai) Or like across the open middle area on Desert?

Well, I hardly ever use controlled spray, because I just dont like the pause inbetween. What I'm referring to is from the tunnel to the far boxes on the dock, so to speak. However, the open middle area is also possible, and I still feel clicking over holding is better.

First of all, controlled spray, no matter how controlled, always has recoil, which is difficult to manage EVEN as your opponent is an extremely small target. It is more difficult to land bullets. Often, when one bullet misses the rest follow in missing. For single shots, it is much easaier because the recoil is minimal compared to controlled spray. The recoil that comes from single shots actually can be compared to the recoil of a p90: very little. This, and the fact that when you shoot you dont need to worry about the risk of your bullets going haywire, makes it much more attractive than controlled spray.

However, if you're talking about controlled spray from let's say.....from one end of the hosptial tunnel to the other end and it's furthest point, than controlled spray might be effective, because the target is big enough to be a bit off mark, but if you can react at a moment's notice, then I still say single shots work for the better, because you can aim at the head or whichever place you feel does the most damage, and not just at the whole body like you would for controlled spray.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Vox
04-09-2007, 09:55 PM
All true except that if you use single shots they have quick enough reflexes they can run before you completly kill them, but if your control spraying it goes everywhere in the area in your crosshair.

My points:
1.Shanghai dock-tunnel. Single
2.Hospital. Control spray.
3. Desert. Controversial.(Either)

FinalFantasy
04-09-2007, 09:59 PM
All true except that if you use single shots they have quick enough reflexes they can run before you completly kill them, but if your control spraying it goes everywhere in the area in your crosshair.

My points:
1.Shanghai dock-tunnel. Single
2.Hospital. Control spray.
3. Desert. Controversial.(Either)

Well, by then it would just rely on the user's preferences. What you state above is good and yet also bad. I dont mind if they can run away - it just makes them weaker for the next person. However, what you say does contain some merit, and I guess at this point it relies on which person feels which way is better. For me, I prefer single shots because it requires the utmost attention. For you, you prefer controlled spray because it's more familiar in your hands and you prefer killing people over control.

@Vox: Unfortunately, I can't edit my post further anymore, because it has reached its 15,000 word limit. But I did fit some of the more important information, as you requested.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Vox
04-09-2007, 10:02 PM
Nice. Maybe editing some of your posts so far into your main thread post?

Vox
04-09-2007, 10:32 PM
Nice additions. I noticed some of my posts were included in there. Yay. Also, I don't know if anyone has thanked you for your hard work on this, so thanks.


Edit:
You could take out some of the spaces in the Pros and Cans section and organize it by putting 1.,2.,3.,etc. Also, You cloud take out some more spaces in other plaes. It might not look as good, but it provides more information.

WolfsoronX
04-10-2007, 08:03 AM
I tried the AK-74 b4 and yet i loved it on my new acc. Easilly got through the ranks.

EvilChicken
04-10-2007, 04:45 PM
wow this a very helpful post, id use it if i didnt have a m16 lol

OuchThatHurt
04-11-2007, 10:49 AM
Here's an easier guide (Less Complicated)

1. Crouch, Aim, Fire!!

2. Celebrate with cake.

See? Was it necessary for an essay to say that? :P

Deathcrow
04-11-2007, 10:54 AM
well this guide doesnt help since i have a crappy laptop :(
I have a really good connection but my laptop keeps overheating...so everytime
i TRY to avoid snipers i actually moonjump instead of jumping..

Heres also a good tip: Get a good desktop, trust meh

KillaHSmokE
04-11-2007, 11:14 AM
Very nice guide! I use the AK myself and personally I like it the best. I always tap when i shoot. Its SO easy to get snipers with the AK.

GM_SKiNG
04-11-2007, 12:29 PM
Very nice guide, sorry I didn't see it earlier. +Rep

FinalFantasy
04-11-2007, 12:39 PM
Thanks for the sticky. It's great to know I've done something worth remembering :p

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Vox
04-11-2007, 03:16 PM
I knew this would be stickied.

congrats on new post rank.

Did you ever check out my Survival Mode thread SKiNG?

Hazardous
04-11-2007, 05:06 PM
Im a Sniper Ak-47 is my weakness the reason is that Ak-47 has a knockback to it. the Ak disorientates my scope my biggest weakness. I love the Dmg that is does but I still prefer accuracy over Dmg because I long range snipe with automatics my Choice is M4a1.


I think Ak-47 and M4a1 are perfect rushing tools

Vox
04-11-2007, 05:11 PM
Actually every gun messes up the sniper scope.

Hazardous
04-11-2007, 05:15 PM
Ak is perfect for rushing lmfao

not all guns only m16 m4a1 ak and shotguns that i know of :p

slpat
04-11-2007, 08:26 PM
im not an ak fan but this guide makes me wanna try some time

Freelance
04-12-2007, 09:05 AM
Ak is perfect for rushing lmfao

not all guns only m16 m4a1 ak and shotguns that i know of :p

The machine gun does too.

The... The... I forgot the name.

ctor123
04-12-2007, 10:36 AM
nice gun propz

an1sh
04-12-2007, 11:02 AM
You can crouch by pressing (and holding) the Z key.


You made a small mistake there though..., its Ctrl, not Z. The Z key pops out the radio messages window :)

Awesome guide, btw, i fell in love with my ak-74, cuz i knew this was gona be teh 1337 weapon, from my past experience using ak-47(counterstrike) and ak47 from Project IGI.And it was my first choice when i went on to the weapon screen when i join the game...

This is my suggestion when your recoil goes waaaaaaay out of control:

When your recoil crosshair blows out and flies upwards, you can control it by slowly dragging the mouse downwards.For Eg, when ur shooting a guy by spraying, and u see ur crosshair going upwards, u can hold it in place, by dragging ur mouse downwards , but rememember u have to do it slowly, if u do it too fast, the bullets would go to the legs(which has the least damage areas) and in some cases the bullets goes sideways too, <_<, not sure why...

Edit> There is another tip/info i wanted to mention:

Many players think that the sniper rifle is the only way u can get headshots in perfect way(when i meant by perfect headshots, i mean intended headshots, not fluke headshots), BUT thats total bull, sometimes ak-74 can also help you get a perfectly executed headshots. Heres how u can do it:
Headshots to people behind crates/objects-
When a player pops out of a crate or behind any objects, start single shooting near the edge of the crate, as soon as the recoil goes a little way up,DOUBLE TAP the fire button. Keep doing this, and bam, u get a Headshot. Its a difficult procedure, but u can master it pretty soon,(prolly by treating the ak74 as your babe :P).
P.S>Begin by shooting at the black line near the upper edge of the crate, then follow as i mentioned above.

Headshots on player rushing at you, or running towards your direction-
You can also manage a headshot when a player is rushing at u...
all u need to do is start single shooting near the collar bone area, and as the crosshair goes a little way up, DOUBLE TAP the fire button. This will be easier to master than the crate headshots...

Headshots on player crouching
This is pretty easy, when a person is crouching just spray the bullet at the body, preferably the chest area, the crosshair will pick ur fire to to the head.

PrecisE
04-12-2007, 11:43 AM
Good job on getting this guide stickied. :]

Anshikuu
04-12-2007, 03:44 PM
I really appreciate this, now that I can FINALLY buy an AK-74 with the money I have.

Bongin
04-12-2007, 05:09 PM
u should always spray... single shotting is pointless...

SoB_Ak-Div
04-12-2007, 05:12 PM
u should always spray... single shotting is pointless...

Dude...really just shut up. Did you even try to single shot? When u are in cover, or against a sniper, single shooting is almost just as effective as snipeing. 10 or so single shots (3-4 seconds of single shooting) can take out just about any sniper. And this is NOT considering if you head shot the enemy. Spraying makes accuracy horrible at long range, and gives away your position.

Think before you post.

Hazardous
04-12-2007, 05:17 PM
Yo its the MG your talking about that messes scope up to :p i forgot about that one still glad u got ak i hate aks :/

FinalFantasy
04-13-2007, 01:10 AM
Yo its the MG your talking about that messes scope up to :p i forgot about that one still glad u got ak i hate aks :/

Yes, that's why the AK is so great. Best way to use the Ak effectively is to have pinpoint reflexes and shoot first. If you can do that and manage the recoil, you're unstoppable...for the most part ^_^

You made a small mistake there though..., its Ctrl, not Z. The Z key pops out the radio messages window :)

Awesome guide, btw, i fell in love with my ak-74, cuz i knew this was gona be teh 1337 weapon, from my past experience using ak-47(counterstrike) and ak47 from Project IGI.And it was my first choice when i went on to the weapon screen when i join the game...

This is my suggestion when your recoil goes waaaaaaay out of control:

When your recoil crosshair blows out and flies upwards, you can control it by slowly dragging the mouse downwards.For Eg, when ur shooting a guy by spraying, and u see ur crosshair going upwards, u can hold it in place, by dragging ur mouse downwards , but rememember u have to do it slowly, if u do it too fast, the bullets would go to the legs(which has the least damage areas) and in some cases the bullets goes sideways too, <_<, not sure why...

Edit> There is another tip/info i wanted to mention:

Many players think that the sniper rifle is the only way u can get headshots in perfect way(when i meant by perfect headshots, i mean intended headshots, not fluke headshots), BUT thats total bull, sometimes ak-74 can also help you get a perfectly executed headshots. Heres how u can do it:
Headshots to people behind crates/objects-
When a player pops out of a crate or behind any objects, start single shooting near the edge of the crate, as soon as the recoil goes a little way up,DOUBLE TAP the fire button. Keep doing this, and bam, u get a Headshot. Its a difficult procedure, but u can master it pretty soon,(prolly by treating the ak74 as your babe :P).
P.S>Begin by shooting at the black line near the upper edge of the crate, then follow as i mentioned above.

Headshots on player rushing at you, or running towards your direction-
You can also manage a headshot when a player is rushing at u...
all u need to do is start single shooting near the collar bone area, and as the crosshair goes a little way up, DOUBLE TAP the fire button. This will be easier to master than the crate headshots...

Headshots on player crouching
This is pretty easy, when a person is crouching just spray the bullet at the body, preferably the chest area, the crosshair will pick ur fire to to the head.

Well, this is a great tip, but I feel that it's getting a little bit too personal, because people may have different ways of playing. I try to keep the guide as general as possible, yet accurate and easy to understand. However, this is a great tip for more experianced players that may or may not work, and I would have implemented several tips of yours inside the own guide had it not reached it's 15,000 limit (for words).

And yeah, it's weird how no one saw that mistake yet. Fixed.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

an1sh
04-13-2007, 10:34 AM
Yes, that's why the AK is so great. Best way to use the Ak effectively is to have pinpoint reflexes and shoot first. If you can do that and manage the recoil, you're unstoppable...for the most part ^_^



Well, this is a great tip, but I feel that it's getting a little bit too personal, because people may have different ways of playing. I try to keep the guide as general as possible, yet accurate and easy to understand. However, this is a great tip for more experianced players that may or may not work, and I would have implemented several tips of yours inside the own guide had it not reached it's 15,000 limit (for words).

And yeah, it's weird how no one saw that mistake yet. Fixed.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

lol, yea i get ur point abt the tip that i mention its not easy to execute for begineers :p

hey maybe we should have a 1 on 1 battle only with ak-74 and see who owns :p, the rules are pretty simple, no equipments other than ak-74 and the map should be in Shangai.

Maybe you could help people by making a new server dedicated to only ak-74 lovers...

HlTMAN
04-13-2007, 06:27 PM
Nice Guide. You put alot of work into it.

Rochon
04-14-2007, 12:56 AM
I am impressed with the work as many others said. and woah.

Epidemic
04-15-2007, 12:15 AM
This Guide Has Been Approved By Epidemic

Excellent guide, couldn't have put it better myself.
~Epi

raga
04-15-2007, 04:01 AM
Well i just started today ith an ak-74 no euips and dd a 1 on 1. i found it hard at first to control but after about 7 deaths i igured it out. My way is as follows: pull out your knife when searching for an enemy. constantl move your mouse to look behind you; at th same time, look for objects to hide behind. u have your knife out so the barrel doesn't give your location away. if you spot your enemy and they don't see you, take outyour ak and unload just under the feet while crouching. by the time they turn around you probably either killed them or took at least half life, depeniding on distance. if they see you fist,an you don't see them, you're screwed (this is the only problem i found with this method, but it will get beter as i improve). if you see each other, its a test of skill. get behind an object fast! take ou your ak and shoot bellow the feet, crouching. i they have a pistol: crouh with your ak out; strafe, stop, shoot, repeat. this lets you dodge pistols easily. if you're in an open space, the same technique seems to work, if your opponent underestimates your skill. in the end it's a battle of skill but aren't all FPS's? but this is just me...and u stole half ur guide frm a gunz foru lol (jk)

Vox
04-15-2007, 10:55 AM
Don't aim at their feet. Aim at their chest and move the mouse down against the recoil to cancel it out.

FinalFantasy
04-15-2007, 11:16 AM
Well i just started today ith an ak-74 no euips and dd a 1 on 1. i found it hard at first to control but after about 7 deaths i igured it out. My way is as follows: pull out your knife when searching for an enemy. constantl move your mouse to look behind you; at th same time, look for objects to hide behind. u have your knife out so the barrel doesn't give your location away. if you spot your enemy and they don't see you, take outyour ak and unload just under the feet while crouching. by the time they turn around you probably either killed them or took at least half life, depeniding on distance. if they see you fist,an you don't see them, you're screwed (this is the only problem i found with this method, but it will get beter as i improve). if you see each other, its a test of skill. get behind an object fast! take ou your ak and shoot bellow the feet, crouching. i they have a pistol: crouh with your ak out; strafe, stop, shoot, repeat. this lets you dodge pistols easily. if you're in an open space, the same technique seems to work, if your opponent underestimates your skill. in the end it's a battle of skill but aren't all FPS's? but this is just me...and u stole half ur guide frm a gunz foru lol (jk)

There are several problems with your method. In a 1v1 match, remember than you don't have to search for your enemy, the enemy comes searching for you. Knowing that, always keep your AK out. It's better to be prepared than unprepared and with a knife. If the enemy runs into you with his knife, then you have the element of suprise and an easy kill.

Unloading at the feet is definitely a bad idea. As Vox said, aim at the chest and either move it down and go with the flow. Personally, I just let the recoil take my crosshairs up, because the chances that you'll do heashot damage is greater.

If you have an AK, NEVER use a pistol. There's absolutely no reason to use a secondary weapon when you have an AK. It's a waste of money and not needed. Once again, if they have a pistol, DO NOT DODGE IT unless you're switching to an AK. Take the damage, and kill them before the pistol can kill you. A reasonable player that isn't a sniper should not have a pistol with them, so your "method" only works against the more new people.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

shabam44
04-15-2007, 05:23 PM
:zzz: :afro: :thumbsup: :confused: :bye: :idea: :o :grrr: :sarcasm: :xd: :lolz: :p :mad: :no: :doh: :idea: :sad: ;) :wink: :upset:

Vox
04-15-2007, 05:34 PM
Don't spam please. Just read, post what you think, and leave.

shabam44
04-15-2007, 05:39 PM
thats prety much wut i think if u could read smiles ud understand

[TG]headb0mb
04-15-2007, 05:46 PM
I hate coming up against an AK-47. Deadly at close and medium range. I'll try crouching when using it next time. Thanks for the post, very helpful.:=p:

Endemic
04-16-2007, 11:10 AM
I was just wondering, but when you crouch, doesn't it make you an easy target?

FinalFantasy
04-16-2007, 03:21 PM
I was just wondering, but when you crouch, doesn't it make you an easy target?

Crouching is something only the AK can excel at. When you crouch, you actually are smaller compared to standing up. Even if it did make you a bigger target, it focuses the crosshairs and reduces recoil. Those two alone makes crouching with the AK an absolute neccesity, unless you're the jumping type...but even that only works close range where the chances that the bullets will hit are higher.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Vox
04-16-2007, 03:24 PM
Just don't jump with the AK. If you crouch it will make you an easier target, but you will have better aim to kill them.

FinalFantasy
04-16-2007, 03:26 PM
Well, a jumper probably only works best in a close-range scenario. I know some extremely good players who jump with the AK, and it works great for them as crouching works great for me. But I think all AK users have come to a conclusion that to kill someone from a range of 15 meters beyond, crouching without moving is required.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Vox
04-16-2007, 03:29 PM
I jump to kill when I have no idea what I'm doing and there is 5 people aiming for me...But only then.

Vincent
04-16-2007, 03:29 PM
I agree with this guide....^__^ great work *is a little late*

Vox
04-16-2007, 03:35 PM
I agree with this guide....^__^ great work *is a little late*

Same. I sugget making a part 2 since you couldn't fit some stuff in.

Endemic
04-17-2007, 11:14 AM
But crouching still makes you a sitting duck :S

How about strafing?

FinalFantasy
04-17-2007, 03:39 PM
Yes, crouching does make you look like a sitting duck. I won't directly shoot down your idea, but know that it is nigh impossible to strafe and expect to land any bullets at a distance. I've seen some great players strafe up close, and if you feel that crouching is uncomfortable and strafing is easier, just know that you CANNOT stafe from a distance. Strafing is the same thing as running while shooting, and all AK players know that it expands the crosshairs to a huge size, the biggest in the game. It is pretty much inaccurate to try and strafe with a AK. However, it is still possible to strafe when the target is close to you, as long as you have great aim and you jump.

Although crouching may seem slow, the point of crouching for an AK is not minimizing the chances of your opponent dealing damage to you, it's maximizing the chances of you dealing damage to him/her. Looking like a sitting duck doesn't matter as long as you kill the opponent so fast that they can't react. However, I would only recommend crouching right before you start shooting, and resuming your original position after they're dead. This way, you can crouch, kill, then get back up and run to another place to either kill someone else or reload.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Epidemic
04-17-2007, 04:22 PM
Well, a jumper probably only works best in a close-range scenario. I know some extremely good players who jump with the AK, and it works great for them as crouching works great for me. But I think all AK users have come to a conclusion that to kill someone from a range of 15 meters beyond, crouching without moving is required.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

And who would those people be? =D MS-13 = Pro W/ AK ok?
~Epi

FinalFantasy
04-17-2007, 07:02 PM
And who would those people be? =D MS-13 = Pro W/ AK ok?
~Epi

oO. Ok fine, I only know that you jump around when up close and this other guy. Still, I think that constitutes enough to be put into a statement >_>.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Vox
04-17-2007, 07:55 PM
AK4Life or whoever jumped and got 2 headshots, but you have to be pro to jump and kill.

Clean your PMs Final.

n.3.k.o.
04-17-2007, 08:07 PM
Yes, the ak is unrivaled in power. Yes, crouching lowers the recoil. However, crouching makes you an easy target for any enemy. When crouching, your whole body is compacted into a ball, and you move much slower. By being an easy target and immobile at the same time, there is an extremely small chance to survive unless you kill an enemy before they shoot you. For anyone who uses the ak, I suggest STRAFING. Strafing, moving from side to side (left or right), lowers your recoil and makes you a moving target. You will have a better chance to survive if you are moving and hitting your enemies at the same time. If you want to be accurate, but also hard to hit, you can combine strafing with crouching. Strafe to one side, crouch, and fire. Strafe back to the other side, crouch, and fire. By shooting in little bursts of 4-5 bullets and strafing, but still pausing to crouch to shoot, will make you one of the best ak gunmen out there. Also, always remember to always use cover when possible. When there is no cover available use the strategy I described above ^.

-n.3.k.o.

n.3.k.o.
04-17-2007, 08:08 PM
omg I didn't see the post above...sorry if my reply overlapped with yours Final Fantasy

FinalFantasy
04-17-2007, 08:16 PM
Yes, the ak is unrivaled in power. Yes, crouching lowers the recoil. However, crouching makes you an easy target for any enemy. When crouching, your whole body is compacted into a ball, and you move much slower. By being an easy target and immobile at the same time, there is an extremely small chance to survive unless you kill an enemy before they shoot you. For anyone who uses the ak, I suggest STRAFING. Strafing, moving from side to side (left or right), lowers your recoil and makes you a moving target. You will have a better chance to survive if you are moving and hitting your enemies at the same time. If you want to be accurate, but also hard to hit, you can combine strafing with crouching. Strafe to one side, crouch, and fire. Strafe back to the other side, crouch, and fire. By shooting in little bursts of 4-5 bullets and strafing, but still pausing to crouch to shoot, will make you one of the best ak gunmen out there. Also, always remember to always use cover when possible. When there is no cover available use the strategy I described above ^.

-n.3.k.o.

Although I do respect you're opinion, you aren't thinking this through. The point of crouching is NOT to make yourself a smaller target, it's to KILL the opponent faster. Crouching does make movement slow, but the point is not to move while crouching, it's to increase accuracy. Crouching may make you slower and a bigger target, but none of that will matter when you kill your opponent in less than 2 seconds.

Strafing is an option, but the fact is that you CANNOT strafe from a distance. The crosshair removes that option for you. Strafing is only optional when you're close ranged, and even that doesn't happen alot. Strafing is NOT accurate, so you can't say that strafing makes you accurate and hard to hit. Strafing is basically a suicidal technique, so to speak, giving up all accuracy for more avoidability. Even when you recommend strafing you still say crouching is neccesary.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm saying for players to crouch before shooting, not crouching 24/7.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Vox
04-17-2007, 08:19 PM
Although I do respect you're opinion, you aren't thinking this through. The point of crouching is NOT to make yourself a smaller target, it's to KILL the opponent faster. Crouching does make movement slow, but the point is not to move while crouching, it's to increase accuracy. Crouching may make you slower and a bigger target, but none of that will matter when you kill your opponent in less than 2 seconds.

Strafing is an option, but the fact is that you CANNOT strafe from a distance. The crosshair removes that option for you. Strafing is only optional when you're close ranged, and even that doesn't happen alot. Strafing is NOT accurate, so you can't say that strafing makes you accurate and hard to hit. Strafing is basically a suicidal technique, so to speak, giving up all accuracy for more avoidability. Even when you recommend strafing you still say crouching is neccesary.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm saying for players to crouch before shooting, not crouching 24/7.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Nicely said, but if you strafe you might as well bunny hop.

FinalFantasy
04-17-2007, 08:26 PM
Nicely said, but if you strafe you might as well bunny hop.

Yup, might as well...doesn't really make a difference up close, and Epidemic does that >_>.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Reesey
04-17-2007, 08:27 PM
Nice guide.

n.3.k.o.
04-17-2007, 08:52 PM
Although I do respect you're opinion, you aren't thinking this through. The point of crouching is NOT to make yourself a smaller target, it's to KILL the opponent faster. Crouching does make movement slow, but the point is not to move while crouching, it's to increase accuracy. Crouching may make you slower and a bigger target, but none of that will matter when you kill your opponent in less than 2 seconds.

Strafing is an option, but the fact is that you CANNOT strafe from a distance. The crosshair removes that option for you. Strafing is only optional when you're close ranged, and even that doesn't happen alot. Strafing is NOT accurate, so you can't say that strafing makes you accurate and hard to hit. Strafing is basically a suicidal technique, so to speak, giving up all accuracy for more avoidability. Even when you recommend strafing you still say crouching is neccesary.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm saying for players to crouch before shooting, not crouching 24/7.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

I do not recall saying that one should crouch to to make yourself a smaller target :no: I said that crouching curls a player into a ball, making one easier to hit because your body is more concentrated in a smaller area and you are less mobile. AND Strafing does lower recoil. If you run straight at an enemy while spraying your bullets will spread around them and your crosshairs will go crazy. However, if you strafe and shoot in bursts, while keeping your crosshairs locked onto your target, you are more likely to hit the enemy, and they are more likely to miss you. This can be effective even against snipers when done correctly. If you want, I can even give you a demonstration in-game this Friday.

Here is my scorecard:
E8_N3KO
Rank: Sergeant First Class
Clan: N/A
Win-Lose Record
77% 23%

Win 400 Loss 117
Survival Rate: 65.0%
Precision Rate: 2.0%
No. of Kills: 947
No. of Headshots: 74
Kill/Death: 3.547
Honor Level: Excellent
Intended Disconnection Rate: 0%
No. of same team kills: 0

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FinalFantasy
04-17-2007, 08:58 PM
I do not recall saying that one should crouch to to make yourself a smaller target :no: I said that crouching curls a player into a ball, making one easier to hit because your body is more concentrated in a smaller area and you are less mobile. AND Strafing does lower recoil. If you run straight at an enemy while spraying your bullets will spread around them and your crosshairs will go crazy. However, if you strafe and shoot in bursts, while keeping your crosshairs locked onto your target, you are more likely to hit the enemy, and they are more likely to miss you. This can be effective even against snipers when done correctly. If you want, I can even give you a demonstration in-game this Friday.

Here is my scorecard:
E8_N3KO
Rank: Sergeant First Class
Clan: N/A
Win-Lose Record
77% 23%

Win 400 Loss 117
Survival Rate: 65.0%
Precision Rate: 2.0%
No. of Kills: 947
No. of Headshots: 74
Kill/Death: 3.547
Honor Level: Excellent
Intended Disconnection Rate: 0%
No. of same team kills: 0

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I'm not doubting your skills. I'm saying what I feel is right. If you think you're right, then you can go ahead and make another guide. I'm not flaming you, and if you feel that strafing is best for you and you like it more than what I say in my guide, then that's great for you! I'm not telling everyone that my guide is the only one to be using, I'm saying that's what I feel makes someone a great AK user. Everyone has their own ideas, and I can't make everyone happy.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

n.3.k.o.
04-17-2007, 10:16 PM
I'm not doubting your skills. I'm saying what I feel is right. If you think you're right, then you can go ahead and make another guide. I'm not flaming you, and if you feel that strafing is best for you and you like it more than what I say in my guide, then that's great for you! I'm not telling everyone that my guide is the only one to be using, I'm saying that's what I feel makes someone a great AK user. Everyone has their own ideas, and I can't make everyone happy.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Okay lol. Sorry if I gave you the impression that I was attacking you. I just wanted to get my POV out there. Thanks for making such a detailed guide :D .

FinalFantasy
04-17-2007, 11:56 PM
Okay lol. Sorry if I gave you the impression that I was attacking you. I just wanted to get my POV out there. Thanks for making such a detailed guide :D .

Well, it's in there for people who want some more tips. The 13 or so pages is probably the only 13 pages in the SF forums that actually contains facts and information for and against the AK, so you sometimes actually learn something browsing through them.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Epidemic
04-18-2007, 07:58 AM
Although I do respect you're opinion, you aren't thinking this through. The point of crouching is NOT to make yourself a smaller target, it's to KILL the opponent faster. Crouching does make movement slow, but the point is not to move while crouching, it's to increase accuracy. Crouching may make you slower and a bigger target, but none of that will matter when you kill your opponent in less than 2 seconds.

Strafing is an option, but the fact is that you CANNOT strafe from a distance. The crosshair removes that option for you. Strafing is only optional when you're close ranged, and even that doesn't happen alot. Strafing is NOT accurate, so you can't say that strafing makes you accurate and hard to hit. Strafing is basically a suicidal technique, so to speak, giving up all accuracy for more avoidability. Even when you recommend strafing you still say crouching is neccesary.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm saying for players to crouch before shooting, not crouching 24/7.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Def. People do it differently... OR maybe that's just me. Anyways. Here's The damage view...
AK Headshot ---- 61 Damage Max
AK Bodyshot ---- idk around 45-50 max? Prolly like 45.

So... If it can 2-3 Hit people... It doesn't matter if you are crouched for a split second to pump out the lead needed to kill...
~Epi

Endemic
04-18-2007, 11:02 AM
Jumping is good when you are in close quarters with your enemy. When I use my AK, I strafe and jump around the enemy. I never crouch when I am in close range combat because the opponent can concentrate all their bullets on one spot.:doh:

I only crouch when the enmy is far away.

Endemic
04-18-2007, 11:06 AM
Yes, the ak is unrivaled in power. Yes, crouching lowers the recoil. However, crouching makes you an easy target for any enemy. When crouching, your whole body is compacted into a ball, and you move much slower. By being an easy target and immobile at the same time, there is an extremely small chance to survive unless you kill an enemy before they shoot you. For anyone who uses the ak, I suggest STRAFING. Strafing, moving from side to side (left or right), lowers your recoil and makes you a moving target. You will have a better chance to survive if you are moving and hitting your enemies at the same time. If you want to be accurate, but also hard to hit, you can combine strafing with crouching. Strafe to one side, crouch, and fire. Strafe back to the other side, crouch, and fire. By shooting in little bursts of 4-5 bullets and strafing, but still pausing to crouch to shoot, will make you one of the best ak gunmen out there. Also, always remember to always use cover when possible. When there is no cover available use the strategy I described above ^.

-n.3.k.o.


I agree with that. ^^

dragontonna
04-18-2007, 11:27 AM
Wow great guide

TheProblem
04-18-2007, 12:33 PM
nice tut man ^^

◄[-Hazard-]►
04-18-2007, 03:54 PM
Im 100% AK-74! Thats my baby in SF. I will not use any gun but it xD

cyberdude
04-18-2007, 04:13 PM
but guys ive noticed if u play with noobs they'll say ur hacking even tho ur just more skilled personally i wouldnt call them players, they're more of a joke to sf

FinalFantasy
04-18-2007, 05:46 PM
Thanks for your posivite comments. Yes, this is a guide that I feel I'm fine with, but note that it's not the only way. You can always twist it to how you feel you play best, or go an entirely different route. I'm just exposing the way I play, and I feel it's perfect for me and for other players who need help. Once again, thanks for anyone who replied or provided suggestions. I feel that this is one of the only threads that hardly ever goes off-topic or evolves into flame threads. Remember, I do take into consideration about people's comments, and feel free to reply in case you find any mistakes or would like to challenge any of my statements.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

B-Death
04-18-2007, 05:48 PM
To me using 3rd pov is pretty cheap for campers, but what am I to do. If you cant beat em join em :lolz:

I read your guide after using the AK-74 and found it quite useful, although I do manage a 1.4 kd ratio most games purely by spraying.

Maybe I should lay off the sparying cause I have around 188 ping so i shows like a 9 bullet kill...... oh well

Vox
04-18-2007, 05:49 PM
It's a great guide, but I know something is missing, but i can't figure it out. It might just be my style.

FinalFantasy
04-18-2007, 06:00 PM
To me using 3rd pov is pretty cheap for campers, but what am I to do. If you cant beat em join em :lolz:

I read your guide after using the AK-74 and found it quite useful, although I do manage a 1.4 kd ratio most games purely by spraying.

Maybe I should lay off the sparying cause I have around 188 ping so i shows like a 9 bullet kill...... oh well

You can always try to reduce ping and therefore lag by adjusting your game configuration. I've done it, and there's a big difference, and gameplay is still fun and exciting for me. It's also possible to close existing programs, ESPECIALLY the ones that use the internet. Those programs take up room that can be used to improve lag.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Silent_Duck
04-18-2007, 06:15 PM
great guide, helped alot

B-Death
04-18-2007, 06:23 PM
You can always try to reduce ping and therefore lag by adjusting your game configuration. I've done it, and there's a big difference, and gameplay is still fun and exciting for me. It's also possible to close existing programs, ESPECIALLY the ones that use the internet. Those programs take up room that can be used to improve lag.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

So what do I do? Cause I'm not gonna change my internet connection.....

shabam44
04-18-2007, 06:23 PM
i dont use ak anymore wasnt the gun for me so when i got my 30k for rank up i bought a sterl aug

Vox
04-18-2007, 06:32 PM
So what do I do? Cause I'm not gonna change my internet connection.....

What might help your lag is to delete SF and do a Direct File download.

FinalFantasy
04-18-2007, 06:34 PM
So what do I do? Cause I'm not gonna change my internet connection.....

Or you can lower your game configuration settings. It doesn't change much, but it does help. A lot.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

B-Death
04-18-2007, 06:45 PM
What might help your lag is to delete SF and do a Direct File download.

Actually I already have downloaded the file


Or you can lower your game configuration settings. It doesn't change much, but it does help. A lot.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Okay, I'll try it right after the game is up again. Thanks

tiki
04-18-2007, 06:59 PM
OMFG everyother post if someone's sniper or ak guide I'M SICK OF IT

FinalFantasy
04-18-2007, 07:00 PM
OMFG everyother post if someone's sniper or ak guide I'M SICK OF IT

I posted this guide around 2 weeks ago, when every thread and post was attacking the AK-74. I felt that it was inappropriate to let that stand by and for once had the motivation to write a guide supporting the AK-74. Please, control yourself, I wrote this for a reason.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Endemic
04-18-2007, 07:25 PM
Or you can lower your game configuration settings. It doesn't change much, but it does help. A lot.

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What do you change in configuration?

FinalFantasy
04-18-2007, 07:28 PM
Or you can lower your game configuration settings. It doesn't change much, but it does help. A lot.

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What do you change in configuration?

You can change anything, try it out. There's changing trillinear to bilinear, the 32 bit into 16 bit, stuff like that. There's a big option that takes out the water and alot of the graphics in the sky and everything, but it also gives a big bonus to taking away lag.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

Omaso
04-18-2007, 08:46 PM
Great guide! I hope to see more!

Vox
04-18-2007, 08:56 PM
Final you want to make more guides? About maps or something?

Endemic
04-18-2007, 09:00 PM
Final you want to make more guides? About maps or something?

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That would be helpful for all the new users out there.

FinalFantasy
04-18-2007, 09:02 PM
Hm, that's a great question. People have been PMing me about this. Um, if I ever find the inspiration to make another one, I'll probably make it on the p90. It's only the other favorite weapon I use, so I have a pretty good idea on that. I might, might not >_>.

Who knows, I might make it my 1000th post ^_^

~MS-13/Sneakpeak

Vox
04-18-2007, 09:03 PM
Hm, that's a great question. People have been PMing me about this. Um, if I ever find the inspiration to make another one, I'll probably make it on the p90. It's only the other favorite weapon I use, so I have a pretty good idea on that. I might, might not >_>.

~MS-13/Sneakpeak

I'll talk to you tomm. about this ^^

FireInferno
04-20-2007, 08:34 PM
dude nice guide it rocks...2 bad i use m4 but ak is good when some1 can really use it