Anti hack (GM read)

[gamezman]

Hello

Now i know i do not post on the ijji forums quite a lot but i thought this would be the best place to get a responce from one of the GM's.

Anyway im going to talk about the anti hack ijji decide to use for their Gunz service, Gameguard.

Now gameguard ran by a company called Inca/nprotect provide this anti hack. Now i know ijji have a contract with gameguard, so they must see that contract out, but if you think about it, inca are breaching their contract.

I take it ijji have a contract with MAIET to be a publisher and host the game Gunz, which they are doing. They have Gunz up 24/7 (apart from the maintenance times) and apply the patches as soon as MAIET releases them.

Inca on the other hand have a contract with ijji and in that contract is must say you use Gameguard to STOP hacks, does it not? So if INCA fail to provide the service they are promising within this contract, are they not breaking it?

If Ijji decided to take Gunz down, without informing MAIET wouldn't they be breaking their contract and get into trouble? So why isn't this the case with INCA.

They PROMISE to provide a service which will prevent hacks yet they are not providing this service. Not only is this harming the game play of GunZ but also ijji as a company. They are losing players as we are all sick to hackers.

Ill put it in language ijji will understand and notice.

LESS PLAYERS=LESS MONEY.

Now i don't know a lot about coding myself but it cant be that hard to block DLL injections can it..?
INCA are a company that SPECIALISE in anti hacks, yet when was the last time they made an update for gunz? Every cw or ever DM i enter there is a hacker. INCA are failing as a company and breaking their contract.

People that run their own gunz pservers have better anti hack protection, coded by people that do not work for a company, yet they can update it and block hacks when they are released. Pservers ban hackers within a day, ijji does not.

All im saying is you say you cannot get a new anti hack becuase of your contract with INCA/gameguard. But if they are failing to produce a service they promised to provide in their contract, then you are obliged to end it.

iGunz uses X-Trap and update it regularly, i went on igunz a few days ago, played for a few hours found NO hackers.

So ijji please tell us why you are not able to give the community what they want which is an anti hack that stops hacks, gives us no fps lag, and updates regularly.

Sounds too good to be true? Just get xtrap/punkbuster.

GG

This was a wall of text sorry lol.

Some of you may agree/disagree up to you.

-Gamezman

*Hopes for a GM to reply*

[vidoll]

saw alot of these at gzf. well gl, i have my doubts about ijji taking in any good suggestions from users.

[Lain]

Well aside from the grammatic and spelling errors that fill your post you sir have no idea what your talking about.

[vidoll]

Well aside from the grammatic and spelling errors that fill your post you sir have no idea what your talking about.

aside from the fact that being a grammar nazi on the internet makes you that hardcore. it wasnt brain surgery to understand his post if you actually read it.

[Poji]

Now i know i do not post on the ijji forums quite a lot but i thought this would be the best place to get a responce from one of the GM's.


Good luck with that. Sometimes I don't even think they remember they have a Forum to read on this site. :grrr:



Well aside from the grammatic and spelling errors that fill your post you sir have no idea what your talking about.

aside from the fact that being a grammar nazi on the internet makes you that hardcore. it wasnt brain surgery to understand his post if you actually read it.

Nice! :clap:

[Deidara]

Joker.

It's not hackers fault Gunz has crappy coding is it?

And about the Anti hack thing, everything has a way around it. As far as i know there is no anti hacking software that is 100% hack proof, and there never will be.

and since you like to moan about dll injections.. going on about how its simple to stop them.. do it yourself if you think your so good

[ShinyTHPS2]

Joker.

It's not hackers fault Gunz has crappy coding is it?

And about the Anti hack thing, everything has a way around it. As far as i know there is no anti hacking software that is 100% hack proof, and there never will be.

and since you like to moan about dll injections.. going on about how its simple to stop them.. do it yourself if you think your so good

OWS stops them in MINUTES !

[HiiTSQuaD_ [Q]¹]

OWS stops them in MINUTES !

Make's Them To.

[XPrometheusX]

Hello

Now i know i do not post on the ijji forums quite a lot but i thought this would be the best place to get a responce from one of the GM's.

Anyway im going to talk about the anti hack ijji decide to use for their Gunz service, Gameguard.

Now gameguard ran by a company called Inca/nprotect provide this anti hack. Now i know ijji have a contract with gameguard, so they must see that contract out, but if you think about it, inca are breaching their contract.

I take it ijji have a contract with MAIET to be a publisher and host the game Gunz, which they are doing. They have Gunz up 24/7 (apart from the maintenance times) and apply the patches as soon as MAIET releases them.

Inca on the other hand have a contract with ijji and in that contract is must say you use Gameguard to STOP hacks, does it not? So if INCA fail to provide the service they are promising within this contract, are they not breaking it?

If Ijji decided to take Gunz down, without informing MAIET wouldn't they be breaking their contract and get into trouble? So why isn't this the case with INCA.

They PROMISE to provide a service which will prevent hacks yet they are not providing this service. Not only is this harming the game play of GunZ but also ijji as a company. They are losing players as we are all sick to hackers.

Ill put it in language ijji will understand and notice.

LESS PLAYERS=LESS MONEY.

Now i don't know a lot about coding myself but it cant be that hard to block DLL injections can it..?
INCA are a company that SPECIALISE in anti hacks, yet when was the last time they made an update for gunz? Every cw or ever DM i enter there is a hacker. INCA are failing as a company and breaking their contract.

People that run their own gunz pservers have better anti hack protection, coded by people that do not work for a company, yet they can update it and block hacks when they are released. Pservers ban hackers within a day, ijji does not.

All im saying is you say you cannot get a new anti hack becuase of your contract with INCA/gameguard. But if they are failing to produce a service they promised to provide in their contract, then you are obliged to end it.

iGunz uses X-Trap and update it regularly, i went on igunz a few days ago, played for a few hours found NO hackers.

So ijji please tell us why you are not able to give the community what they want which is an anti hack that stops hacks, gives us no fps lag, and updates regularly.

Sounds too good to be true? Just get xtrap/punkbuster.

GG

This was a wall of text sorry lol.

Some of you may agree/disagree up to you.

-Gamezman

*Hopes for a GM to reply*


If you KNOW SO much coding then you would know that dll injection has multiple ways to bypass the blocks.

1st off the DLL injector ITSELF could have a built in bypass, which would be a totally seperate issue from the accual dll detection.

Dll detection was implemented btw, it just so happens that the coders have already devised a way around it, CRC is the simplist form of file protection to bypass, i would throw it up to SHA or MD5 checks by now, but we all cant have our way.

2. Maiet does NOt f***ING MAKE THE PATCHES FOR IJJI! ONLY NHN/IJJI CORPORATION MAKES THE PATCHES!

The seperate hosts are respnsible for creating these.. HENCE KGunz and JGunz being far beyond catchable in the patches and updates in which we have...

3. Dont come here ranting about how you dont wanna play because of an auto-updating hack that everyone has, thank you leechers.. (stupid f***s).


and as for

OWS stops them in MINUTES !

no he doesnt accually, he's is just as easy as GG just not as laggy, therefore better.

Now what we need is Server DLL checks/scans, a consistant low profile scan through your gunz Client to see if any whitelisted dll is injected. (whitelisted = un-identified) simple as that.


Thank you,
Prometheus.

[Poji]

Now i don't know a lot about coding myself but it cant be that hard to block DLL injections can it..?

If you KNOW SO much coding then you would know that dll injection has multiple ways to bypass the blocks.


You didn't read his whole post before you made yours, did you..?

[DentinDaHero]

There's a few things wrong with that...Punkbuster won't wor with the games current server design. And secondly they ARE stopping hackers, but not all of them. I mean think about it, what's better a shield with small holes in it or no shield at all? It would take a skilled person to pierce the holes, but if there's no shield at all it's pretty easy to hit isn't it?

Now I admit there are some problems, but I'm not going to state the obvious flame posts...

[fire23150]

heh doesnt matter if they had X-Trap you can still bypass that as much as gameguard

[3rdiEyeiVis]

Its impossible to "stop hacks" therefor something like that would not be a breach of contract. The contract probably just states that IJJI will use the GameGuard service for a certain amount of time and that gameguard will be updated a minimum of times in a certain time period.

[Rievin]

I think its fairly obvious that ijji doesn't give a s##t about hackers, they are everywhere and come in all lvls. They never get banned or anything. Clearly ijji doesnt mind hackers and neither should we. Worst hack-protection ever. Even microsoft could do a better job

[Syrus_666]

tru true wonder that happens to me alot the pop-up messages keeps popping out of nowhere when i played att ndef rooms every time

[3rdiEyeiVis]

tru true wonder that happens to me alot the pop-up messages keeps popping out of nowhere when i played att ndef rooms every time

Get popup blocker.




Also, Hackers DO get banned, but the fact that accounts are FREE TO MAKE, they just keep coming back.

[Shia840]

INCA's and IJJI's contract only allows IJJI to use GameGuard.

[Sunggekun]

well inca is really bad :(

[Rufinito18]

If you KNOW SO much coding then you would know that dll injection has multiple ways to bypass the blocks.

.

He said he didn't know.

[-(Vergil)-]

theres no hack prevention system that can block all of them 100% or fully..
its just like condom sometime even if you wear it .. it can still spill and stealthy get into 'it' and fertilize the eggs

[breaker316]

Very good things in this post. They all make great points and ijji should realize them. The reason why I do not enjoy clan warring is because everytime I do so I got botted if we are winning.

Just rediculous. I apologize for my anger, but I seriously cant take it anymore. 3 years of playing gunz and hackers have been getting worse? 3 YEARS AND HAVE BEEN GETTING WORSE????

Cmon, get with the program.

[gamezman]

~Bump

Still waiting on a reply from a GM.

Doubt i shall get one.

Either reply here or PM me on Gunzfactor,

Name: Gamezman

[gamezman]

LoL i remember when i made this thread.

Anyway most hacks are patched by gameguard now so good job, but it still creates heap of FPS lag so i still suggest a new anti hack.

Random bump coz im on ijji forums lol

[ninjis]

LOL I REMEMBER WHEN YOU NECRO'D THIS THREAD.

It wasn't worth it, seriously. Don't necro. It just brings old threads to the top and it's frustrating.