Wall Exploitation (glitching) [In Progress]

[GM_SKiNG]

[Glitching] = User exploits a level by entering solid objects in order to be hidden and gain an advantage over another player.

[Status] = In Progress

We are aware of this critical issue and we do have a schedule to have this issue resolved.

We are sorry for the inconvenience this has been to our valued users and we hope to have this issue resolved soon.

Please continue to send your "Glitcher" reports to soldierfront_hacker@ijji.com.

We do check every single e-mail sent to this e-mail account and will not tolerate users exploiting faults in our games.

When sending your report, please follow this example:

Subject:
[Glitching] Codename

Body:
(attached screenshot)
-Codename of offender
-Date of occurence
-Short description of incident

**Please remember if content or features are broken, this does not give you the excuse to abuse it**

[Primus Inter Pares]

I have a question regarding this, with the current glitches being fixed, and more maps scheduled to be released, will these new maps be glitch free or will the same problems occur?

I'd much rather be waiting longer for the maps to appear than to have them come out prematurely with the same problems as the current maps.

[GM_SKiNG]

Thank you for your concern. We will try our best to ensure the map goes through a thorough test before putting it out in the public. But there will always be faults we may not find. In this case, we hope the community supports us in fixing whatever needs to be fixed just like many of you have already done.

[Primus Inter Pares]

I always find a good deterrent would just be to make all land under solid area like the water in shanghai, providing a nice instant death for anyone who tries to glitch. I don't know how possible that is but it's an amusing thought to say the least. Making the area under spawn like that as well could possible solve the spawn hack problem, but probably impossible to do.

[GM_SKiNG]

The only problem I see with that is the users who lag a bit. I notice sometimes when they turn a corner, they slightly pass through that corner.

[Primus Inter Pares]

I've seen that too, but would that only be visually?

Because as I see it they don't actually pass through the corner, it just seems like they do because of their lag, but if the server interprets it as slightly passing through it that could pose a problem, however it could be made so that you have to be fully inside the area to be killed by it, that way glitchers can't go all the way into the box or wall or truck they are glitching into and will still be relatively easy targets, at least in comparison to as it is now. Of course there will always be a way to exploit things like this, so it would be much better to just have it all solid and fixed, but I understand it takes time to do and I for one shall wait patiently :)

[GM_SKiNG]

It may create divergence. This is when one user sees something totally different from another user.
Using your idea, lets say user A, is looking at user B. User B passes through the corner of a wall. Since user A saw user B pass through a solid object, this will cause user A's game to show user B die. But on user B's screen nothing will have happened other than just walking. Then you have divergence, both users will not see the same thing anymore.

[Primus Inter Pares]

Hmmm, I never did think about that. That would really screw things up, and could possibly be exploited too.

[Rubedo]

You used a good example, but since the computers would negotiate, SOMETHING would have to happen on both screens. It depends on the configuration, but yeah, the kind of decision making would cause a noticeable disturbance.

[biff10426]

Always surprises me how many things get through the 'testing' phase of a game.

[Jamaic0n]

I seen alot of User Glitching.. This should be fix soon. I hope?

[Rubedo]

Don't forget they had to alter to coding biff. We're talking about the core of an entire game. They have to translate stuff, fix any bugs, and change addresses and all that. Programming can have major varieties in different countries.

[biff10426]

Don't forget they had to alter to coding biff. We're talking about the core of an entire game. They have to translate stuff, fix any bugs, and change addresses and all that. Programming can have major varieties in different countries.

Heh, from what people have been saying and from the overall 'look' of the game, its been out for quite some time, around when CS 1.6 or Condition Zero, thats a few years.

A few years and there still bugs like this? Shows a real lack of commitment. Well, it is a free to play game, why invest a whole lot of a time and money into something when you're not expecting a very large return on it right?

Just saying, whoever was in charge of bringing this game to the U.S. audience should have really spent some time looking into some outstanding problems with the game before releasing it. Yes it is a beta, but generally people being able to do some of THIS stuff should have been picked up in the alpha/internal testing phase. I haven't seen any of these kind of glitches in other FPS's I play, then again, those games cost money. I don't know why it would be so hard to take a look at those games, see how they are setup as to avoid stuff like this.

[Anaconda]

I know I solution to this and all other hacker and glitcher problems. It's simple and its been used in games like HL2, CS, CSS and many others. If IJJI makes a VOTE BAN option in the game it will be the best way to get rid of hackers and glitchers. Just think about it, you would not have to go and fix all levels for bugs, but players themselves would vote out those people who glitch/hack. THink about it, bacuse it might save you whole lot of effort in the future

[Gunner11]

Anaconda, most people are suggesting this. No doubt ijji has seen the suggestions. But keep in mind that ijji didn't make this game. They provide the game. They might ask the makers to put the in game kick, but all we can do for now, I believe is wait for ijji to update GG or get another anti-hacking system.

-Gunner11

[Flash]

A vote feature will most likely be added in the future. However, ijji is very busy with all of the events, bugs, and glitches being abused in some of the games.

[KiteTrix]

Every game always has its faults when it first starts :) But before you know it it's all strighten out . Thanks to the hard working Developers and who ever else might be involved.. One day i will have to find out just how hard it is to make a game.

[WNxWNNAcc]

The game only needs a vote system when the community does not cooperate intellectually. Notice in Gunz, many people were kicked because of false accusations. The players who were voting could not care less of the matter as long as it was not them. I for one, had been a victim of the vote system abuse and do not want to see anyone else be harmed in the same way. This sort of stuff deals a big blow to your ulcer.

However, if a vote system MUST be implemented. Make it fool proof. No false accusations can be made.

[H4X]

how about making boxes semi shootthroughable.....like in Counter Strike.... so people who ARE glitching in a box can get naded or shot at...by directions from the glitchers teamates....that will fix a few things... also, the next best thing is not to put water, but in BF2 when you go out of the specified zones, you get hurt for HP...a LOT of HP. Just some ideas...I'm not the best at coming up with ideas, but I hope it helps some.

[Fujjin]

.. I had a dream today lol, was trying to get into wall in some game =D Hax too much

[Froggyman1000]

It always surprises me how you can be both intelligent and a smart alike at the same time. I've had something like this happen once..I don't exactly what happened. I was on the hospital map, and there was a round where someone told me I had died on their screen, yet I was still able to move and shoot. The next round when I respawned, I was not able to see my team at all, nor could they see me. When I went to the opposing teams respawn place, I saw them all lying there, dead to me, yet when I shot at their corpses, the would die...even though they were not really there at all. This lead to lots of screaming and cursing and calling me a hacker...but eventually they all reailized that I had not done what happened on purpose, and they even tried to help me fix it, but I ended up having to leave the game. Does anyone have any clue at all how that could have happened? It builds on your idea of divergence, but could it really be because of that one misplaced kill that I was able to do something like that. Were that exploited, it could cause a major problem...
-Froggyman1000

[SOB_SCDL]

It always surprises me how you can be both intelligent and a smart alike at the same time. I've had something like this happen once..I don't exactly what happened. I was on the hospital map, and there was a round where someone told me I had died on their screen, yet I was still able to move and shoot. The next round when I respawned, I was not able to see my team at all, nor could they see me. When I went to the opposing teams respawn place, I saw them all lying there, dead to me, yet when I shot at their corpses, the would die...even though they were not really there at all. This lead to lots of screaming and cursing and calling me a hacker...but eventually they all reailized that I had not done what happened on purpose, and they even tried to help me fix it, but I ended up having to leave the game. Does anyone have any clue at all how that could have happened? It builds on your idea of divergence, but could it really be because of that one misplaced kill that I was able to do something like that. Were that exploited, it could cause a major problem...
-Froggyman1000

That has also happened to me on a few occasions (once in desert, twice in nerve_gas and thrice in hospital).

[D Nichl]

I propose to implement a screenshot limit (1 screenshot per 5-10 seconds, higher delay the more you take) to have a higher degree of failure for glitching into objects.

[GM_SKiNG]

I propose to implement a screenshot limit (1 screenshot per 5-10 seconds, higher delay the more you take) to have a higher degree of failure for glitching into objects.

That is a very good idea. I will run it through with my team. We have to weight out the negatives and positives and also see how much dev time it would take.

Although, it does appear that a lot of users are able to do it on their first try. I personally like taking screens and this may become a complaint to those to actually play the game legitimately.

[SOB_SCDL]

What about using the video recording feature to simply take a single frame instead? (I am assuming that the screenshot and video features were coded seperately)

Or is the problem caused by a divergence?

[[FKA]iBoo AKA D34thGal]

[Glitching] = User exploits a level by entering solid objects in order to be hidden and gain an advantage over another player.

[Status] = Active

We are aware of this critical issue and we do have a schedule to have this issue resolved.

We are sorry for the inconvenience this has been to our valued users and we hope to have this issue resolved soon.

Please continue to send your "Glitcher" reports to soldierfront_hacker@ijji.com.

We do check every single e-mail sent to this e-mail account and will not tolerate users exploiting faults in our games.

When sending your report, please follow this example:

Subject:
[Glitching] Codename

Body:
(attached screenshot)
-Codename of offender
-Date of occurence
-Short description of incident

**Please remember if content or features are broken, this does not give you the excuse to abuse it**


umm the glitchers r pressing p.... for pictures makeing a lag so they can enter the wall you should ha a time limit after you press p like w8 for 3 secs after u press p and then w8 another 3 secs to press p and so on or a number of pictures

[FinalFantasy]

Good thing you guys are working on the problem. I don't get mad a glitchers, because I know it'll be even worse for them when GM's disable glitchings. They'll find themselves screwed over and over again- something to look forwards to.


~MS-13/SneakPeak

[-Carnage-]

iis there a confermatioin email from ijji that they succesfully banned the hacker you showed them? i sent an email to them 2 weeks ago and havnt gotten one back

[PrivateJY]

I have a question. Is there a Korean Version of Soldier Front like I heard, or is it just fake? I Googled it and I got nothing. If there is, please tell me the link and I am Korean. KOREA!

[Suinodrak]

Best bet for that -Carnage-, is to check this thread:
http://forums.ijji.com/showthread.php?t=2021
If still remember the name or still have the screenshot or email you can ctrl+f and search for it, a confirmation email is unlikely at best I think, that would just be too many emails.

PrivateJY, if you know Korean than searching in the Korean version of whatever search engine you prefer, in the Korean language would be your best bet probably

[achilles33]

can u make it so that gms can spectate games while not playing, so they can see glitchers in action.

also i have taken screenshots but dont know where to find them????

[Bongin]

No Way Gm's Figured Out That U Can Bug Through The Walls.

[D Nichl]

Having the screenshots save into a different format would help >.<

They use the lag created by the picture taking. Each picture is a .bmp and has a file size of 2.25MB (way too huge! and one of the reasons I don't send in hacker reports before changing format). Changing to .jpeg or .png would be cool.

[Snipingkid]

I have a question. Is there a Korean Version of Soldier Front like I heard, or is it just fake? I Googled it and I got nothing. If there is, please tell me the link and I am Korean. KOREA!

Click the dragonfly logo on the bottom of the soldier front page.
In all other versions of Soldier Front, it's called Special Force.

[SHOTrevised]

When will these glitches be fixed??
because im tired of all these glitchers
and not to mention the growing number of hackers
it would be nice to have in-game kick system
so we can boot hackers out maybe like voting

[GM_SKiNG]

Having the screenshots save into a different format would help >.<

They use the lag created by the picture taking. Each picture is a .bmp and has a file size of 2.25MB (way too huge! and one of the reasons I don't send in hacker reports before changing format). Changing to .jpeg or .png would be cool.

We already tried this. Makes no difference.

Don't worry everyone, a fix is coming soon, it's taking a while because we have to thoroughly test everything. We've gone through every scenario we can think of as well as every possible fix we can think of. We're not sitting around watching TV all day like some rude users have said.

But remember, just because WE say it's fixed, doesn't mean you the public won't find other alternatives to break the game. This is what patches are for.

Thanks again everyone for the support.

[d_headshot]

Hi please help me with my problem: http://forums.ijji.com/showthread.php?t=3318.

[Suinodrak]

Thanks for the update GM, it's too bad the kill mesh option won't work.

[bonddude]

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9554/snipinhahabw9.png


[Snipin]haha
Reason: "If I win, you ally with my clan" He didn't win though, but he still walled...[

[Yumil]

[IMG]::PIC::
[Snipin]haha
Reason: "If I win, you ally with my clan" He didn't win though, but he still walled...[

Read the first post a bit more carefully...

...doesn't mean you the public won't find other alternatives to break the game...
and lol @ that

[bonddude]

Well anyways heres my other pic ...


http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5859/goldragonhd1.png


GOLDRAGON
Reason: Glitched to try to leech kills to try to join my clan but failed...

[shoot@]

i have to say that the ijji staff is doing a god work and i've been to the jap version and its garbage compared to this
How long do u think the game will be shutdown?
-Devoted player SH00T@

[Captain]

lol






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[Intreped]

An idea just an idea to rid of glitching make going isinde objects or walls equal the same effect as walking on water? Kill the glitchers :D

[Stardolphin]

An idea just an idea to rid of glitching make going isinde objects or walls equal the same effect as walking on water? Kill the glitchers :D

Read the freaking first page.
IT might create divergance.

[teammate]

man this is crazy if we do one thing it will affect something else. if we do another thing then there will be conflict in the future. ijji staff have it really hard. hey do ppl only get to use 1 e-mail? what about if they get banned, they make another e-mail and then make another ijji account with the newly made e-mail? dont you have like information on them so that if they try to make another account and you know their other account was banned, they cant make another account?

[SoilderPro]

Why dont you put like bots in places where people glitch and it gives a free kill BUT it bans the char

[freddomcfrog]

Why can't you children run along nicely and play together??

[freddomcfrog]

how do i post a screenshot?

[chaosdestruct]

i am gettign tired of this, imma become the number one snitch in hack.glitch, remember my name, codename destruct,

[chaosdestruct]

would u rather email or post it, because all my posts would talk up lots of pages

[mattman]

About the "Glitching through the walls, then getting killed by water" point, couldnt you just put it in the center, so the glitchers die, but not small time laggers who get a foot (at the most) in the box?

[Cycloed]

Thank god, we can report this ignorant people, just wondering for how long do you banned this people?. Thanks for trying to solve this problem.

[Rack]

Heh, from what people have been saying and from the overall 'look' of the game, its been out for quite some time, around when CS 1.6 or Condition Zero, thats a few years.

A few years and there still bugs like this? Shows a real lack of commitment. Well, it is a free to play game, why invest a whole lot of a time and money into something when you're not expecting a very large return on it right?

Just saying, whoever was in charge of bringing this game to the U.S. audience should have really spent some time looking into some outstanding problems with the game before releasing it. Yes it is a beta, but generally people being able to do some of THIS stuff should have been picked up in the alpha/internal testing phase. I haven't seen any of these kind of glitches in other FPS's I play, then again, those games cost money. I don't know why it would be so hard to take a look at those games, see how they are setup as to avoid stuff like this.

Soldier Front has been out in Korea and Japan (less though) for quite a while, you're right.. But the reason this hasn't been picked up as a major problem before now is because Korea and Japan go on these games to play properly.. They have a sense of respect for everyone else and don't want to ruin the game.

I don't think I need to explain what some of us are like :*

[FinalFantasy]

US players are overall less considerate than their asian counterparts. Naturally, we play this game to exploit it's problems, go online, talk negatively about glitching, then go back in game and glitch. Each day this cycle is repeated until the problems are fixed. I guess we can be seen as a hacking program, so to speak.

~MS-13/SneakPeak

[EvilChicken]

I know I solution to this and all other hacker and glitcher problems. It's simple and its been used in games like HL2, CS, CSS and many others. If IJJI makes a VOTE BAN option in the game it will be the best way to get rid of hackers and glitchers. Just think about it, you would not have to go and fix all levels for bugs, but players themselves would vote out those people who glitch/hack. THink about it, bacuse it might save you whole lot of effort in the future

The VOTE BAN thing is a good idea but think about it....if one person is not liked BUT doesnt hack and or glitch this person can still be voted to be banned.....its just a recipe for disaster

[EvilChicken]

I just thought of a good idea to stop glitchers. in cs sometimes when u get stuck in a wall etc etc (as for sf a box) u die instantly. This would INSTANTLY stop glitchers from glitching

[0vvnz]

It may create divergence. This is when one user sees something totally different from another user.
Using your idea, lets say user A, is looking at user B. User B passes through the corner of a wall. Since user A saw user B pass through a solid object, this will cause user A's game to show user B die. But on user B's screen nothing will have happened other than just walking. Then you have divergence, both users will not see the same thing anymore.


I kind of stopped reading after this, hopping server gets up soon ^_^

But for this issue, USER B would see user A pass thru the wall, but both for user A and the server, he doesnt actually. if user A dies, it registers on the server, not through each individual player? just how i thought works. EXAMPLE like if user B sees user A walk over water, but he didnt. its just lag that makes him look like he cut the corner. But he didnt, so the server doesnt register his death, so the signal of his death isnt sent out. its note like if you see someone hit in face by sniper he will die, b/c ur computer thinks he should. its processed thru server and the signal is sent out..i think.:doh:

[0vvnz]

OO i just got another idea, and its fairly long so wont just edit. kind of branches off evils, and is well..obvious. just dont texture the floors in areas where u shouldNT be. make like the map stairway in GunZ, except imagine a wall on edges of all stairway. now if someone tries to glitch thru wall..timberrr..so if someone tries to go into a box, theres reli no textured floor, just a pit or just make water underneath. doesnt have to make sense, its lack of logic doesnt affect anything except the stoppage of the glitchage.

[Too Gay For You]

um Gm_Skiing um sir, mister, um......well see a um...wel...urgh...a 'friend' of mine recently got his account suspended for glitching and i dont think thats very fair, its not rely his fault tat he did it, i mean y is there the wall exploitation problem in the first place? the fact tat its been ages and u still havent fixed it or come up with a solution to prevent people from doing it. and since just about everyone knows how to glitch then glitchers dont rely have an 'advantage' over others, they just use a special err...skill tat anyone can use to play the game...i guess im just saying tat suspending people for glitching isnt tat fair and isnt the way to fix the problem, u shuld try to fix the wall exploitations...

[n.3.k.o.]

um Gm_Skiing um sir, mister, um......well see a um...wel...urgh...a 'friend' of mine recently got his account suspended for glitching and i dont think thats very fair, its not rely his fault tat he did it, i mean y is there the wall exploitation problem in the first place? the fact tat its been ages and u still havent fixed it or come up with a solution to prevent people from doing it. and since just about everyone knows how to glitch then glitchers dont rely have an 'advantage' over others, they just use a special err...skill tat anyone can use to play the game...i guess im just saying tat suspending people for glitching isnt tat fair and isnt the way to fix the problem, u shuld try to fix the wall exploitations...

1. You are ignorant.
2. Learn to spell and use proper grammar before posting. Your four-year-old sense of vocabulary and writing style is tiresome, repetitive, and plain stupid.
3. Don't support glitchers.
4. You're in the wrong thread.

[Foglhadha]

Would it be possible to just kill any player that goes outside the playable area. I believe this happens on several games. Would put a quick and to the madness. Just a thought

Foglhadha

[Voracity]

Just to help a bit I've seen this on Shang, there are some green crates stacked on top of each other by the sub, a guy named Hellboy150 was glitching on in, I witnessed him enter and everyone on the game saw him kill from there.

Sorry to name names but he was definitely not falling in on accident, plus a Hellboy92 is on your list of people caught doing this. Coincidence? I think not.

[BlueHampster]

One glitch in Satelitte I saw someone do perk my curiosity. The person would fall, and suffer 55 damage.

What if you add a floor under the stage that would end up doing enough damage to kill, and inside solid objects there are holes? So if someone glitched, they would fall to their death, while the peer won't cause that person to die if the peer saw him basically going through the box even though the perosn wasn't.

[Wasabi-sama]

I also hate how grenades have no effect on wall exploiters. Maybe heavy weaponry and demolitions like rocket launchers and grenades can make boxes explode, killing the people inside them. Also, sustained fire from automatic guns should destroy crates. Like, say, in Shanghai, people are hiding behind crates. You can blast em and there is no more cover. After all, Soldier Front is meant to be realistic, right? Well, I bet in real life people would shoot down any cover the enemy has. To kill two birds with one stone, make cover destructible to stop wall exploitation (or at least crate exploitation) and make the game more realistic. Ingenius, huh?

[Voracity]

Call me a tattle tale but I caught this guy here in the same place as Hellboy150, see the SS:

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n146/Clay42/glitcher.jpg

Name is (Rick)James

[AtraxKid]

^ nice.
hes gettin banned.

[Banrai]

i could help test the maps out since i no a bunch of glitches, but i don't use them

[MoonLightK]

Shanghai is the map with the most glitches, and the most played. Maybe GMs should recreate shanghai and test it toroughly, the problem with reporting glitchers is that not all rooms have spectate all (for obvious reasons, like the enemy team's dead people telling the other team's position), if hosts could somehow save a replay of the map, with each player spectable glithcers would be easier to report.

[TheCoolGuy]

man people are still glitching even though you kinda fixed it. they either used the xfire way of ss's or they used prt scrn

[flarrg_bargr]

u really shouldnt have said that cuz glitchers would know how now. you probably got like 5 glitchers to start. thanks

[icefire900]

Well I got taught one specific way that users glitch in hospital to get behind the walls without taking pictures. To combat any form of glitching Socom Online which is a PS2 game had the same problems in the beggining, what they did is created multiple walls close together and smaller and smaller boxes going into the main crates. So if they were able to glitch through one wall they got stuck and pushed back out again.

[TheSorrow69]

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2478/hackerglitcherjf1.jpg

cought this one glitching in desert and the moron still had the synicism of calling me a wallhacker :xd:

[omgitsmalyn]

Hello. I have used xfire for good use. Look at my profile and I caught some glitchers =) perhaps this may help?http://www.xfire.com/profile/omgitsmalyn/

[Fuzzy_Panda]

Hello, I just reported two glitchers I've seen, both on Hospital, and one said he didn't even care if he got caught because he had multiple accounts. Do these people get IP banned from ijji? If not they should. Glitch once and you deserve to be banned for good.

[TheSorrow69]

Lol omgitsmalyn u have a good glitchers collection in your xfire lol...

About the IP banning thing im totally agreed, glithcers should be permanently banned

[_Skittles_]

gj gms....i like wut u guys are doing... i hate glitchers....btw keep up the good work!

[68stang]

make the inside of walls and such "out of bounds zones" they do not die instantly but start to lose health and die after 5 seconds or so.

[AznSoldier]

Man there are still a few Wall Exploiters "Glitcher" around even after the update. This is a big improvement from last time but still needs a little work. Then just maybe a glitch free game. ^^

[*iLLiST*]

Is it alright if someone is glitching.. and.. you glitch to get in the box their in to kill them.. then get out right after?

[w1rex]

you're always welcome to use my blacklist to get the names of the lastest glitchers and hackers ingame.

not everyone on the list glitches or hacks but a description of their offense is listed next to their name.

[Malaku]

I've looked over these posts and I can't believe noone thought of this.

Yes, you've thought of the deathzone under solid objects idea. No, you haven't thought of putting in a 3 second timer (or however much time you want to put) that kills you if you stay in there for that long. It may take a little longer than you want to code in, but think of the players you'll keep!

Loyal SF Player,

Malaku.

[_Pknish_]

thats for this post sking
i see so many glitchers

[krazydemonz]

Hey.
I have an idea about how to fix glitching.
I do not know if ijji has the power to edit the game or if it's all dragonfly's ability.

Most people glitch using xfire [ they put prntscrn binding on ] and it makes them lag. I didn't know this was possible so I tried it myself in a 1v1 match to test it out with a friend. I do not abuse the glitching system, but I was just trying to see if it worked.

Yes it worked. I have also read\heard that pressing "p" can also make you glitch.

So my suggestion is to have "p" either disabled, since it like stops you, or have it do something else.

Also, have prntscrn a weapon changer or an extra radio thing. I know people would complain about not being able to take screenshots, and some people would falsely complain about that because they want to glitch.

It would just reduce glitching and have a better result in the game, but like I said, IDK if you guys have the ability to edit the game.

"This game also contains many glitches. This is possibly due to poor level design and poor control of lag. "

I got that from Wikipedia. Possibly you could make your level deisgn less poor or the control of lag better. Not sure how you would go about doing that though.


[[ Wikipedia also said that there are more characters,e.g SAS, DELTA FORCE, coming out soon :] ]].

:doh:

Another thing could be that if a person is inside a solid object, it's instant death, like water, not sure how that would work as well, as I'm not a programmer.

Please do not flame me if this is totally unreasonable, like stated before, I'm not a programmer, IDK if this is easy or hard, it seems easy for a good programmer though.

:]

[Malaku]

Please check the previous posts. We already discussed...

"Another thing could be that if a person is inside a solid object, it's instant death, like water, not sure how that would work as well, as I'm not a programmer."

and how it wouldn't work as an instant death thing. I have not recieved any replies to my timer suggestion, so hopefully I'll get a response soon. Thanks for the input, though.

[Trito]

I know it's a bit off topic, but I just realised why the other countries don't glitch (Asia). Because they have HONOR! Really makes you think, don't it?

[BIoody]

Malaku I like your solution very much. I'm not sure about how tedious the coding for such a thing would be yet it would be worthwhile. As previously stated earlier most glitchers were thwarted by the fix on the p button. A negotiation with xfire about their picture funtion does seem nessasary since it has same effects of the previous unfixed p button. Some kind of effect on an Xfire screenshot when that user is playing SF seems to be a solution for almost all glitches except for a few non-picture related ones.

[Powerman2442]

Allow people to shoot threw doors, thin walls, edges of corners, small wooden boxes, etc.. The boxes part would take care of most glitchers I've seen. Plus it would add to the game in my opinion. You could base the penetration rate on what type of gun is being shot and how close, etc.. This may bring out people who wall hack but I think it is more of a plus then a minus.

Then again, I play CS 1.6 all the time and the fact that you can shoot threw doors, thin walls, corner edges, and boxes helps. And I've never wall hacked. But if you think shooting threw some walls and corners might be a problem you may want to limit it to doors and boxes, or just anything wooden?

[Antonelli]

ok ok i think i know a simple way to fix the way the glitchers get into the tins and boxes. there are some things they cant glitch into. those things being SOLID the tins are HOLLOW inside. and boxes too. and same with cars. they cannot glitch into walls and what not because those are SOLID all the way threw. simply fill the tins/boxes/cars with w/e it is u fill the wall with-_- u get what i mean? i duno if u do but its a simple solution to this lame glitch.

[LatestPlague]

I really hope this time, with this othew "new" update that the people with all hack's or "visual enhancement's" Can't use them anymore....get some real skill like the rest of us.

[Omaso]

ok ok i think i know a simple way to fix the way the glitchers get into the tins and boxes. there are some things they cant glitch into. those things being SOLID the tins are HOLLOW inside. and boxes too. and same with cars. they cannot glitch into walls and what not because those are SOLID all the way threw. simply fill the tins/boxes/cars with w/e it is u fill the wall with-_- u get what i mean? i duno if u do but its a simple solution to this lame glitch.

You know I just thought of something. If lots of objects, which basically are impossible to glitch in, for instance, Nerve Gas I have never seen someone glitch on because most of the objects are completely solid. If we could make the objects a lot more soldi, then maybe they wouldn't be able to glitch.

[Fishstick]

*edited by ijji*

[Johnny.C]

u shouldn't have posted it on here.. u should have sent it in a pm to him or something because now more ppl will find it that didn;t think about searching it..

[Fishstick]

o and omaso i have had the same idead but it is not that easy to do, plus the fact that plp always complain they want upgrades so they will work on the more than fixing those, why do u think they made it to where u can report those anyway???? o and jonny u are right about them going to find out how to glitch... but they can no longer wall hack :D YAY!

[SilverTeath]

You know I just thought of something. If lots of objects, which basically are impossible to glitch in, for instance, Nerve Gas I have never seen someone glitch on because most of the objects are completely solid. If we could make the objects a lot more soldi, then maybe they wouldn't be able to glitch.

Yeah, also if objects were more solid "wall hackers" would have a tough time :)

[HellRaiser7]

Do e-mails not get payed any attention if they are not just like you said? because i didn't do a lot of them like you said and i would be very frustrated if i had to redo them all

[Kroboth]

glitching is getting out of control...i got into a total of 3 games today WITHOUT glitchers...the other 100 had at least 2...

[PurpleINK]

Fishstick That was not very smart hahaha maybe next time you should try to pm them about this when you give out websites It just make the Problem worsen ... Jezz ting b4 SOMEONE and ANYONE does that.

[fr3d]

i really like the idea of being able to shoot thru thin walls n crates, boxes like hw u could in CS.
but thn agn.
its totally up to ijji staffs n dragonfly to do smth abt it.
we can only suggest n help make the game better. ^^

[Duke_Nukem]

The only problem I see with that is the users who lag a bit. I notice sometimes when they turn a corner, they slightly pass through that corner.
Sometimes I lag and I get stuck in a wall. >.> And the glitch in Hospital is so easy to do I learned it when i was trying to ambush someone. -_- That one should be fixed first. Hospital is my favorite map and whenever I chose it I get flamed by people. :(

[swifttrav]

sking is right ive seen that happen adn most people have to but other known lagger issues is when u got 500 ping you shoot the guy with 500 ping and he will die then his body moves along the ground adn shoots you. also you shoot them and they just keep going adn there health reloads to 100 ive seen it adn im sure others have to

[EvilHunterZ]

what about players who use alt accounts to use glitches ... why isn't it an ip bann ?

[HellRaiser7]

what about players who use alt accounts to use glitches ... why isn't it an ip bann ?

also on that note, why don't they be more strict and ban the first time? they've had enough warnings. people don't care because not only do they have other accounts, but they only get suspended for a while. they need to have a zero tolerance policy or something.

[Chronis]

Who ever glitched twice should get a permanent IP ban!

A questions to SF creators:
The maps and glitching points cannot by patched?
We are worthy of a sincere answer, do we ever gonna get rid of the glitchers problem?

[HellRaiser7]

I'm getting really frustrated because of the picture limit that you can send to ijji's hacker email doohicky. I'm trying to send emails with screenshots and comments for example some guy glitched and said he had eight other accounts and a hack so he couldnt get banned, i was trying to send the glitcher screenshot, and the two comment screenshots and it got sent back to me with an error saying that it had too many pictures. it's happened with like 8 different emails and i have to redo them and its really annoying.

[HellRaiser7]

Who ever glitched twice should get a permanent IP ban!

A questions to SF creators:
The maps and glitching points cannot by patched?
We are worthy of a sincere answer, do we ever gonna get rid of the glitchers problem?

I don't think they should get any chances. otherwise people are gonna take it lightly. they need to put the beatdown on these cheaters to make them stop or make them leave.

[NeoCatsy]

You should have an ingame kick option for the VIP rooms. For laggers and glitchers. I also think you should be able to see peoples pings before they inter the game.

[Silencer]

In game kick wouldn't really work in sfront.. people would start kicking the people they think are "aimbotting"

[ViperBite]

people are using LAG to get into walls or whatsoever

[Chronis]

You dont know what you are talking about, lagg is caused of bad internet connection with the server,
while people shooting through walls exploit games weakness/glitches,
Lagg is one thing, glitch is another thing.
We are talking about glitchers here, in this topic and unfortunately, thats all i can see,
just talks. ijji teams are working on solution for this problem
whole 3 months and we still have no official answer, or permanent solution.
I enjoy this game, i paid for it (g coins) am i not worthy of a final answer?

Is there ever gonna be a permanent solution for this nightmare?
A new patch maybe? The Japanese SF had similar problems?
How did they encountered them?

[Mr_Draco]

I always find a good deterrent would just be to make all land under solid area like the water in shanghai, providing a nice instant death for anyone who tries to glitch. I don't know how possible that is but it's an amusing thought to say the least. Making the area under spawn like that as well could possible solve the spawn hack problem, but probably impossible to do.

If this couldn't be done, how about just puting walls inside the objects as well to prevent people from shooting and seeing out of whatever object they are glitching in.

[smackdownvsraw]

i have a question on my main ive never glitched on but i sent a screenshot of a glitcher but i didnt say the short description all i did was put screenshot and said ~gow_kratos and like a few hours later i was 3 days suspeneded for expliotnent of game mechanics i was like wtf so i think i was wrongly suspened and if i was i deserve a apologie and g coins!!!!! ALOT not like 5

[Daughters]

Or, you can just face the consequences and get over it and stop bragging for coins.

[Glitch/HacksSucks]

errr well some ppl learn to exploit cuz they may no this glitch in some other SFs

[steenfreak]

is it completely fine to TK people are you team that are glitching because i do it all the time, i just cant stand people who want to take advantage of the other team really

[snipercam7]

Why not attempt to implement a similar report feature as RuneScape, an ingame button that you type in the offenders username, and it takes a 60 second snapshot of what happened in the game from both your and their perspectives.

Just thought I would suggest.

Sniper.

[p5666ych0*]

i have recently found out how people glitch and also "wall-hacking" i am very sure ijji knows how this is happening if not.. i can explain how this is done to a gm or csr. let me know if i can be of any help cause i want this all to stop, cause me and my clan are highly respected and appreciate if we can clan out SF. i have paid money to play on ijji and expect things to be clean and clear of glitchers/hackers. modem tappers.. are also another problem. just fix this id highly appreciate

[HellRaiser7]

I think that gms and stuff should play the game, that way, they have fun playing a game, and can find and ban glitchers and hackers right then and there

[Second_Wave]

I learned some glitches on accident, which is pretty sad. But this game will be so much better after these glitches and lags are fixed. Hacking is better than those. Everyone lags (I don't care where you live or what your ping is or how many people are in the game), and anyone can learn to glitch. But most people don't hack. ^_^

[sneakyman44]

idont have prof cuase idk how to report but some how people are using lgitch nades and kil labout 5 ppl at once also snipers get ato head shtos even when peaopl arnt in there site so if you can message me on how to report i would be thankful

[keyloggedyou]

Was this fixed in the new update on the 28th?

[Whitenamese]

Well I got taught one specific way that users glitch in hospital to get behind the walls without taking pictures. To combat any form of glitching Socom Online which is a PS2 game had the same problems in the beggining, what they did is created multiple walls close together and smaller and smaller boxes going into the main crates. So if they were able to glitch through one wall they got stuck and pushed back out again.

I really like this idea...

[JEDI420]

its about freaking time your doing somthing about it. how about all the hackers too. i have been playing for 6 months and cant even play because of all the people that are glitching and haxking. it looks like your not doing anything about it and it ruins the whole game. its coming to a point were there is no reason to play inless if you glitch. if you dont there is no chance in hell and it is getting really annyoying. why dont you banned the ip that is doing it then they wont beable to get back on. i saw people glitching in a game with the gm and he didnt say anything except watch your language. what the hell is that all about do you guys even give a damn that people are exploiting the game and taking advantage of you.

[Cycloed]

Wallhack is still in progress, hopefully this cheat can be patched.

[Darkseer]

Jed that "GM" was a fake gm but heres a idea why dont iiji for the glitchers make the boxes or whatever that person glitches solid from the inside(for those of you who are confused its like shooting a box on the outside but inside of the box) it will help reduce glitches but that means you cant get out its the only idea i can think of that solves the glitch case without putting "water" inside the box

[thelunatik]

i have recently found out how people glitch and also "wall-hacking" i am very sure ijji knows how this is happening if not.. i can explain how this is done to a gm or csr. let me know if i can be of any help cause i want this all to stop, cause me and my clan are highly respected and appreciate if we can clan out SF. i have paid money to play on ijji and expect things to be clean and clear of glitchers/hackers. modem tappers.. are also another problem. just fix this id highly appreciate

ya rite psyccho, i played wit HIM today, and guess what? HE SUPPORTS GLITCHERS AS LONG AS THEYRE ON HIS TEAM AND HE WINS -__-... hes not all that good -__-

[uzumakie]

why dont u ban them completely from gliching since everytime we ban them they just make new accounts

[uzumakie]

problably we should just like everytime somebody gets in they get an atomatic boot out of the hole game its almost like pressing alt and tab

[yardensch]

[glitching] 183_gilsy (the following codename used glitching in missile and in train map to cheat)

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1284/2007august01130540kx5.th.png (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2007august01130540kx5.png)

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8316/2007august01125354at8.th.png (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2007august01125354at8.png)

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6758/2007august01125351at8.th.png (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2007august01125351at8.png)/a>

the codename like i told is 183_gilsy
the glitching time is 1th in aug 2007
he glitch in train near bomb site
at the bomb site in missile

[{hks}otacon]

lol SKiNG. just giv up on hospital delete it lol jks. you got to fix the ladder glitch.cant u like double code the walls like ther is a second wall right behing the first one so they cant move back into the glitch. or u can uncode the area behind walls so wen they glitch they will disconnect. meh im no computer genius so i duno if thats hard or not.

[Sh@dow]

I dont glitch in real games. I have glitched with friends to see where most glitchers are. I have found that in Shang there is a glitch that will D/c you if you move to the wrong spot.

It is at the warehouse near the sub then move toward the red spawn you get d/ced.

Maybe ijji could change the codes in all glitchs to be the same as this place?

[{hks}otacon]

yea i heard of that. thats wat im sayin if they glitch they DC. uncode the area behind walls. or double code walls so they cant move bak wen they glitch, u no wat im sayin? they cant glitch threw 2 walls at once. and no dont think they can glitch the 1st wall then do the second. cuz they need to move bak wen they glitch to get speed. but if they move bak they will leave the first wall and would only glitch the first wall and get stuk at the second wall.

[{hks}otacon]

but if u doublecode walls i think that would only double the size of the game. yea like that matters, its only going to be half a gig. i duno i hope my idea is helpful

[spongbob2]

I Got Banned On My Main For Illegal Use Or 3rd Party Programs Wat Does That Mean? Cuz If Its Like Hbacks Or Sumthin? I Never Used Hax.wen I Got Banned All I Had Out Was Maplestory So Idk Y I Got Banned. My Mains Name Was Kidnexthouse

[Moolatte]

Wouldn't adding water in the walls that gives instant death keep the wall glitchers honest?

[{hks}otacon]

y not jus make a wall inside glitches. wat i meen is they cant shoot out of the walls.

[0tac0n]

Wouldn't adding water in the walls that gives instant death keep the wall glitchers honest?

it will make devirgence

[dboy11368]

Perhaps walls behind walls would stop people from glitching? Or maybe walls are not clear from either sides? That way they can't shoot anyone if they do go through.

[dboy11368]

Also, if file size is an issue, programmers can place a long horizontal object behind all walls to stop them from glitching. I mean like a "fence" on the other side instead of a full sized and fully visible wall. I think this could work because {hks}otacon's idea is pretty good.

[Snake{hks]]

lol {HKS}OTACON this is my other account. btw ty. the fencing is also a good idea. wat im concerned about is, wat if they lag so bad and glicth threw both walls!!!

[Kaisyu]

I ban me for saying this but I don't glitch when playing soldier front because imo thats cheating and gives a unfair chance shooting people but what the glitchers don't know is if the person you are fighting is highing in the wall and doing 100% kills while you can't hit him you can jump into the wall and kill the cheat to slove this unfair advantage but I am one of those people who HIGHLY want the graphic bugs fix along with the modem tappers <_<

[Kaisyu]

I ban me for saying this but I don't glitch when playing soldier front because imo thats cheating and gives a unfair chance shooting people but what the glitchers don't know is if the person you are fighting is highing in the wall and doing 100% kills while you can't hit him you can jump into the wall and kill the cheat to slove this unfair advantage but I am one of those people who HIGHLY want the graphic bugs fix along with the modem tappers <_< It would not let me edit my message I said " Do not ban me " sorry for the typo ! :doh:

[killerke15]

you mean you counter-glitch. not such a bad idea, but it must only be used to kill glitchers. not to keep getting unfair kill, once you're in the wall.

[StealthEXE]

Thank you GMs for being in progress of stop the glitching! It's good and bad when there's a glitcher. Good when it's on your team, bad when it isn't :D But, it is bad when there's a newby glitcher on our team who glitches in the wrong place -_- especially at Shanghai.

[Snake{hks]]

lol i hate it wen u counter glitch and ur own team trs to report u. i was counter glitching sumone and sum noob on my team was like glitch im reporting u......-_-

[Sh@dow]

So far is seems like the glitching that people manually lag into (green box at shang) does not work anymore with XFire. Thank you GMs if you did this ^_^ Just got the ladder glitchs left and then glitching is patched for good! No more tempted to glitch. No more glitching newbs. Just laggers and hackers and then good fair gaming. ^_^ Keep up the good work ijji.

[Irondog]

Just a suggestion, to stop glitchers why couldn't you just fill any "glitchable" boxes with a small ammount of water on the bottom, so when the glitcher attempts to glitch he/she would end up killing themselves and would ultimately stop glitching.

[noisecore]

its been thought of and sking reported his idea on it

[SS3gohon]

Just a suggestion, to stop glitchers why couldn't you just fill any "glitchable" boxes with a small ammount of water on the bottom, so when the glitcher attempts to glitch he/she would end up killing themselves and would ultimately stop glitching.

This would be a bad idea cuz people just find new ways like the knife wall hack where u go from the corner and get in that way so you should just make like sort of a fence there and where you get up on top of the boxes move that out of the fence so you can still get up

[SS3gohon]

If you were to block off the glitches people would find new ones but you should get a whole bunch of people from the game that you could trust to find new glitches and report them to the gms of the game like the ladder glitches you could just put a box infront of the ladder or beside the ladder exept for the one in the plasma level you could just make it so u have to get to the balcony thing with boxes instead of the ladder thats another glitch gone and from what i meant about get more people from the game i mean people like me you wouldnt have to pay me it would just make the game a whole lot funner to find and block new glitches lol i kno of a whole bunch of glitches that ive seen people do and i kno that i could find ways to block them like the one in plasma or in the hospital stage lolo i kno a whole bunch of them everywhere, so if you think this is a good thread and you want to start hiring people with free jobs like me it would be a good idea i think, i just want to make the game better cuz the noob glitchers make me mad when they do the wall glitch on the corners you should make like the corners round or put like a little fence there or something cuz it ticks me off when they do that, so have fun making soldier front better and have fun in soldier front (and think about the free jobs for me k thanks lol):thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[luv2snip]

yea me to i have gm's ping 2-28 and i see people with about 100-200 ping going threw walls and gliching i never see a glicher with 30-80 ping

[Turqo_Style]

i think you guys from ijji staf should first fix the play live button error and then start making the game glitchfree

[ScRiMmY]

Thank you very much to all GMs and Staff. You have done a great job in stopping the glitchers.
But now there's more modem tappers.
They can't glitch so they need another way to get kills since they suck so much..
Is there a way to make them automatically D/C when they start tapping? Because 1/3 game's theres a tapper.

[ultimaEmOO_O]

how to take screenshots?

[Jade789119]

Hi have proof of some on gliching i have a screen shot but i dont know how to display it
the user name is DoWnWifflu Pm me to tell me

[noisecore]

u dont need to show it just send it into ijji

[fResh_princee]

GM_SKING i have a question...if you report a user is it true you are awarded SP?

[bored910]

yea me to i have gm's ping 2-28 and i see people with about 100-200 ping going threw walls and gliching i never see a glicher with 30-80 ping


I have seen glitchers with 30-80 ping, ya rarley but ive seen it

[SilverTeath]

You are not awarded SP, that is just a myth.

Although that would be a good incentive lol!

[Vitovega]

Idk if it's been brought up I couldn't read ALL the pages.. This whole glitchen this was fixed for a while and IT IS harder to glitch thanks to that idea that one guy had.. Well I saw this glitcher and asked how he did it he said he used XFIRE...I think you should ban that.. I loaded it up and followed his instructions and he was right..It's WAY easier to glitch..Also it's easier to lag on purpose and get kills that way..I say just ban it all together..

[P90Monger]

GM_SKiNG, i agree with Primus. He has a pretty good idea. Also, have u considered Banning Foreign IPs like what Japan did?

[VARD]

i agree with this

[Neecie]

This sounds so noob but nothing happens when I try to take a screen shot. I'm not sure where I'm supposed to be looking for it afterwards, can someone help me out?

[[Tha]Mazzelz]

c/IJJI/ENGLISh/u_sf/data/screenshot

[Neecie]

thank you so much. <3

[goldeneagles]

GM_SKiNG, are you staying at IJJI? If you aren't, IMA MISS YOU!

[wongalolo]

Ok cool good work again SKiNG! :)

[Snipe_X]

I've allways thought of making the Boxes walls... But, making them walls means you couldnt jump on top... Also, for the Hospital... please put a box in that corner by the ladder (BlueBase Garage) that glitch is very irritating.

[AgentFood]

wow i will definetly email you how many glitchers i have seen

[DaBaLLer]

Wow, Stop bumping old threads! x(

[luv2snip]

Wow, Stop bumping old threads! x(

they just miss skiking...and how bout u stop trying to bump it.. xd

[blood_X]

[GLITCHING AND MORE] *killer97*
http://C:\Documents and Settings\Daniel\My Documents
*killer97*
December 16, 2007
He was playing with 500 ping when i noticed he was lag hacking when another person started glitching (i dont got screeny for) he started glitching and i took pic.
i think that is how to paste pic

[blood_X]

C:\Documents and Settings\Daniel\My Documents

[blood_X]

[Glitching] *killer97*
C:\Documents and Settings\Daniel\My Documents
*killer97*
December 16, 2007
He was playing with 500 ping when i noticed he was lag hacking when another person started glitching (i dont got screeny for other guy) he started glitching and i took picture.
i think that is how to paste picture

[ownedbyme]

[QUOTE=blood_X;1184371][Glitching] *killer97*
C:\Documents and Settings\Daniel\My Documents
*killer97*

lmfao...not to be rude but u will have to upload tht image to a site in order for us to see it.
and some ppl truly have 500 ping...

[keosan]

http://tinypic.comUpload it there

[dwoleader]

hey i don't know if you have tried this and i don't know what kind of program for 3d models you use is but why not take something and either make 2 sides on each wall so the glitchers don't see out of were they glitch or take the walls you use to make everything and place another layer close to the wall so that they don't get threw as easily. only problem would be that wall hackers could see threw but none the less if you did the double layer it would take longer to download but it would get rid of glitchers

[__Iceman__]

wow.

who cares about glitchers people can figure out where they are most of the time and pretty easy to ignore or go around them. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM BY A MILE IS WALLHACKING! its getting out of control again! with the first wallhack it was so bad there would have been easily 2 people using it per game sometimes a lot more now there is a new wallhack and lots and lots of people are using this one now to. can you please patch it like you did with the old one.

[-]sG[-FLyHaX]

Flyhax pwn all..

[idomoms]

it is rlly hard for dragonfly to patch the wall hack because it was made virtually undetectable

[YEAiHAX]

yea glitchers are da suxorz

[-_-Sabian-_-]

Gm's, I got an idea to fix the glitchers. I don't know if this has been mentioned. I'm tired and going to bed after I post this so i'm too lazy too keep reading. To the point.

-Make it so anyone that is glitching can not shoot/throw when in wall or box.

--This way if you pass through the wall from lag and don't intentionally do a glitch, you can still shoot once ur off that corner. (since your moving it would only pause your fire for a split second)

---This to me has no downfall. What can you do about lag anyways? Can't fix lag so its no ones fault.

----Plus side is that everyone can be happy and glitching would only be used to hide? At least then you can have a chance at that surprise pop out.

Thanks, hope it helps.

Sabian

[imART]

Although we can report glitchers but in team battle we cant get screenshots of them glitching.We KNOW FOR SURE they are glitching but cant really do much.Nowadays there are so many hackers such as wallhackers aimbotters flying people but we cant report them...

[_CJT_]

i think they should ban people 300 ping and over. I am always around 95 to 110 ping. A couple of my friends are 250 though so i think the ping limiter should be 300 and over. thanks

[smash1495]

Gm SKIING im very glad you are concerned about this and i get whta your saying but like always.. you can stop all glitches but there ALWAYS will be a bug of a glitch and your not gooing to be able to stop tappers and wallhackers also the noob glitchers

[yoyodudez]

they should fix the gliching in emp where the red near the red base its mad so bs
u can not win if they glich there and kill all your team mate and they can rush so fast
i tryed every thing to get away from the glicher but they normly have a person srpaying and sniping...

[BensonRecon]

I've had enough.Only started playing SF a few days ago but EVERY round I play someone is glitching.If you manage to kill someone you get called a hacker or told you use aimbots so screw it.I've been playing FPS games for longer than some people here have been alive and while I enjoy the concept the experience has done it for me.Not that anyone cares but i'm uninstalling now,got better things to do with my time than fight a losing battle against one of the worst band of cheats I have EVER met :upset: :bye:

[noisecore]

Gm SKIING im very glad you are concerned about this and i get whta your saying but like always.. you can stop all glitches but there ALWAYS will be a bug of a glitch and your not gooing to be able to stop tappers and wallhackers also the noob glitchers

so i guess u havent noticed that sking left ijji

[StealthEXE]

It's been 8 months since they started.....

It looks like wall exploitation is a BIG problem :(

[sexi_panda]

so i guess u havent noticed that sking left ijji

so true...and so hillarious! haha!

[SykoLLama]

:thumbsup: Glitching with xfire is done via the Xfire folder when a few changes are made into your xfire_games settings, im not going to clarify where it is for anyone that asks due to the increase in annoying glitchers. Couldnt you just work with xfire next time they update, to make sure that the xfire_games file cannot be adjusted, without this, there would be no lag, therefore the glitchers numbers would severely decrease.

:)

Regards

SykoLLama

[-=dynasty=-]

why not just make water inside every object but its color is like the floor its up at..

[Dave C]

I agree,

Floors inside of objects should be water.

Soldier Front has a great concept of online gaming but is being ruined by the pathetic security measures and the exploitation of them.

I just play for fun but even for fun the glitchers ruin it.

How do glitchers get banned? Do they get hardware banned as by PunkBuster?

If not they should!!

:afro:

[snipeshowgray]

I always see people glitching in boxes and useing laders to get in the wall, can't they just fix those 2 things? I know they prob, heard like 100 people say, but idnno.......I hate glitchers!

[Dave C]

SF is just full of vulnerabilities.

I played tonight and noticed a new one. A player adding grenade kills ( 5 in a row) about 3 times during the game.

On top of the wall hackers and glitchers (ever increasing), the annoying fact that everytime you log on you have to reset the default controls (mouse invert). Even this forum is designed wrong. The newest entries should be the first ones you come to. I should not have to go to the last page and scroll down.

SF has been out for a while now so how long exactly should it take the programmers to fix these issues.

A big question about the skill set of the designers and programmers???????

[hellohello]

how bout if u getinto sumthing u get dc coz der is no data supporting dat area O.o??

[1ownu1]

hellohello thats a pretty good point maybe they could do something like that. Sounds good to me but i no nothing about coding/making games so i wouldnt no the limits on stuff like that.

[-Peach-]

i think they should make the wall volume bigger because it seems that its a manipulating of the latency and volume of the wall if you can time the right time to lag or run into the wall with a server latency increasing can almost make you lag right through a solid object which is possible and i think increasing the thickness of walls and crates boundaries might just work neva know ... !!!

[destructzion]

OK, a post made in this thread made disturbed me greatly. I want to point out right now that Soldier Front is 100% free, no costs and no gimmicks of any sort. Why complain if the game has some flaws? EVERYTHING has its flaws no matter how small or how big. Soldier Front is a great FREE online game and if you want to complain about it please do not spend your time playing the game.

I do agree with everyone dont get me wrong that glitchers and abusers of the game are quite childish. I dislike this method of play more than anyone on the game.

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT LINE IN THIS THREAD....

TO MAKE THE GAME A BETTER ENVIRONMENT PLEASE TAKE SCREENSHOTS AND FILL OUT A COMPLAINT WITH THE ATTACHED SCREENSHOTS, ITS ONLY A COUPLE OF EASY STEPS TO MAKING THE GAME BETTER.

Its a nuisance to hear people say "you're reported" , "Im going to report you", lines like these are mere empty threats and annoy me more than ever because I know they will not report. If you say you're going to report, please and I insist that every time you do it will make SF a great online gaming environment for everyone around the globe.

You say, "People who are banned will just make another codename." Though it may be true its necessary to point out that players with a dial-up connection use a new IP every time they use the internet and also it is also necessary that someone may call their provider and request a new IP. Heck, they can even use another computer to make a name. Even those these are possibilities you have to feel that if they keep getting banned its going to be a pain in the butt to make the e-mail addresses and codenames and having to keep setting everything up. So if you report and glitcher or abuser you will cause them to take time to make another name, hey even though it make take awhile it will eventually be solved.

Talk to me on xfire I want to start a group of people dedicating on reporting abusers....

My xfire is : destructzion (make sure you get the "z")

Thanks, and to fair gameplay for all gamers,

Tim B.
destructzion

[Bapes]

:thumbsup: Glitching with xfire is done via the Xfire folder when a few changes are made into your xfire_games settings, im not going to clarify where it is for anyone that asks due to the increase in annoying glitchers. Couldnt you just work with xfire next time they update, to make sure that the xfire_games file cannot be adjusted, without this, there would be no lag, therefore the glitchers numbers would severely decrease.

:)

Regards

SykoLLama

You don't need xFire to glitch, and alot of them can't even with the " Special Instructions " that they found, the whole thing was that Print Screen AND xFire made it lag just enough to glitch, but now, people can use lag programs, people even glitch just by turning their WallHacks on and off...
I'd like to mention, Ijji should really find somehow to Ban Bypasses for WallHacks, and another thing, there's a Program ( Not going to mention which one, so you nawbs won't go and DL it ), let's you Tap, but you can only Teleport, killing isn't possible ( It's still annoying, people Teleport to the Escape Points with it, although it would be useful for getting glitchers =] ). I know all this from a friend, ( Won't mention who ), he himself has been a Leet SF Hax0r, LOL anyways he quit just so you know, he found it unfair.

[Dave C]

Should honest players be punished by a worse disconnect rate purely because leaving due to glitchers and hackers????

Should the disconnect rate be rendered useless because of this very reason????

[ILikeMoose]

i think that they all suck and they all should die!! - rep me

[destructzion]

Good thought Dave C. even though people would abuse this and people should be responsible for quitting out on games and leaving a team shorthanded. Even though glitchers and other abusers are quite undeniably annoying the best and only thing we can do is take screenshots...now with the kick feature you need honest players on the other side who will be willing to be shorthanded to make it a fair game..but in my time I have played a bunch of games where they think the glitching is funny and encourage an abuser to keep at it. I look at it as their in the wrong just as much as the glitcher if their playing a role in it. Now you should look at the TK rate....users with bad TK rates shouldn't be punished...now theres an argument because its easy to notice the people who are trying to TK someone and the people who do kill the abusers on purpose or other users on accident.

[DeltaLeader3]

GM_SKiNG....heres a suggestion... you should make it so that you can't shoot out of boxes. I know its double the effort (making it so that u cant shoot into boxes in the first place and then also making it so that u can't shoot out of boxes) but it is worth the while.
I know its badly worded but i hope u get the idea. thnx

[Dave C]

Good point Destructzion, since the intro of votekick I have also witnessed team mates encouraging glitching and hacking. There are not enough honest players to votekick their own team mates.

After all if one of their team mates is glitching, then their team will be winning (unfairly) and as a result their team mates will gain a better K/D and more points as a result!!!!!!

Credit for SF for trying, but I can't see this really working and I believe they really need to concentrate on eliminating the possibility of glitching and hacking.

Hardware bans anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you disconnect because u are killed by a glitcher you get a bad disconnect rate. If u stay u get a bad K/D. You cant win!!!!!!!!

And you cant always take a screen shot!!!!!

Good luck all!!!!!!!:afro:

[Spitfire3292]

Dave C I 100% agree. I have been in a majority of games where my team has been half filled with glitchers on an 8vs8. This makes it nearly impossible to make a kick on a glitcher. Even if there isn't more than one glitcher on the team many people just want to win. They are selfish and want a better win/lose percentage rate or they are expecting the glitchers to cover for them so they can make easy kills.

Selfish and ignorant people are making the kick function not as spectacular as it was first presented to be. And if this can be told only a few days after its release, boy are we in for a lot of trouble in the future if nothing is done.

I know it is difficult to alter code and fix bugs. I myself am a programmer and scripter. I know what it's like to find a glitch or many and having to go through thousands of lines of coding to fix one minuscule error, which in turn could make five more errors come up. What I am slightly frustrated with is the lack of communication with progress between the community and the coders. This shows lack of responsibility and selfishness.

Another thing that has been slightly bothering me is that when you have known about glitching for months and months before bunker came out. Before EMP, before fortress, and before crossroad you knew that there were glitches and exploits. Yet these new maps, which were thought that in the beginning were to be exploit and glitch free, have the most glitches, and easiest glitches, some simply just by jumping into a corner. I would rather have a glitch free map than a new map that is very enjoyable but covered with glitches. I suggest your tests to be much more thorough.

I love this game. What you guys have done with it has impressed me. I love the strategy, the cooperation within teams. I love the map design and I just love the game in general. But what I would like to see in the future are those certain things worked on within the community and the GM's and coders.

Anyway, thanks for your time in reading this post and sorry that turned out to be a bit longer than I had hoped. If you have anything to say about this please dont hesitate but make sure its constructed. Again, thank you.

~Spitfire3292

[{U}zi+]

may u please at least focus on the EMP box glitch i am tired of noobs going into the box and killing us and then there team wont even kick them -.-

[-blOOdshOt-]

i don't know y ppl leave just becuz they scare there kd going to go down

[King Kittan]

Here's a thought:

Why not add textures on the inside of objects. Even if they can shoot though the object, they wouldn't be able to see through it.

[Mr_Bubblez]

did nebody else notice that even tho xfire no longer works in game (i think or maybe its jsut me) glitches still run rampant

[edward94]

When I Got To The Server List It I Click One And Then It Freezes And Then This Pops Up >

Connection To Server Has Been Lost .

Can Anyone Help Me???/:
edward94 is online now Add to edward94's Reputation Report Post Edit/Delete Message

[swatFishy_1]

In the EMP map just move the upper box onto the sloped wall. That will piss off the glitchers

[elmovt]

with this new friend chat thing its been realy laggy( when that came on) and other things u put in the game. i could be wrong but with lagging problems in the past can the servers handle the new items being brought in to the game? plus is ijji looking to fix the lagging problem from the last update? will there be a ping thing ( even the pings out for every1 in the game) just heard rumers about the ping thing sorry dont know what it is called thank u for your time on these ? of mine Blighty To the Core

[California!]

gltichers suck so much and no one can do anything about them

[i3atbabi3s]

ijji needs better staff, too many prbs wit this game

[lolwtfbbqhax]

Well glitching could be stopped ez but ijji depends on there players 2 act like gm's and report whenthere like like a low chance anyone actually reports whne a gm could be n a game loo k at the glitchthen ban him then go to next room do the job in 5minutes for 1 channel

[IplayWITHguns]

I would like to point out this thread was started 1 year and 2 months ago. Within a YEAR and two months, ijji has not been able to even slightly slow down the number of glitchers.

[LegionSnipe]

exactly! although this new kicking system has been installed some noobs on our team either want to win because of them or they dont know where page up is....

[dggd]

I've seen that too, but would that only be visually?

Because as I see it they don't actually pass through the corner, it just seems like they do because of their lag, but if the server interprets it as slightly passing through it that could pose a problem, however it could be made so that you have to be fully inside the area to be killed by it, that way glitchers can't go all the way into the box or wall or truck they are glitching into and will still be relatively easy targets, at least in comparison to as it is now. Of course there will always be a way to exploit things like this, so it would be much better to just have it all solid and fixed, but I understand it takes time to do and I for one shall wait patiently :)

This is completely true.
It just looks as if they are going through the wall, but they are not.

[[SG]Botak]

SkIng is there a way for ijji, to fix those glitches?

[mysterchaz]

lmfao.


ijji you fail so hard.

[California!]

way too many gltichers

[Leader]

lawl why dont you guys
stop flaming ijji. honestly,
fixing things doesnt happen in
5 minutes.

















mmk?

[ultimaEmOO_O]

man it takes common sense to beat glitchers... play smart and wait

[QuickSc0p3]

yeah well at least they made glitching off the map sucide

[Grun]

I got an idea. Why not just make a water pit under all crates and walls. That way when a glticher goes in, he dies because of the water.

[Grun]

The most places that need this water pit would be the green shipping crates in shanghai and bridge crates and cars. Also Ijji needs to fix the latter glitch on bridge. Too many people are using it. :idea:

[foohexuann]

i thought gm. sking is banned o.0?

[the_green_man]

i find bridge is glitched alot more in cuz of ppl useing the ladder gltichs in the bunkers and the huge ladder on dirt road.. they say there reason for gltichign is cuz the other team started it ... lol when no one is gltiching the ladder gltih is a huge problem the other gltichs r not hard to kill the ppl cuz u can not see every where but the ladder is a pain in the but to kill the glticher...

playing smart and wating works if ur on the blue team and defending a rush or somthing like that but if ur on the red team wating dose not rly help u just need to rush and hope to get out alive .. lol

[123yon]

just tell me, if some1 of X team is glitching, and some1 of Y team glitch to kill the glitcher.. is it bad??

[ForummanV2]

just tell me, if some1 of X team is glitching, and some1 of Y team glitch to kill the glitcher.. is it bad??

And what if Y team is full of legits and people who cant glitch? DURGH. And how would we get in without dying? Use your brain please +1post person

[123yon]

And what if Y team is full of legits and people who cant glitch? DURGH. And how would we get in without dying? Use your brain please +1post person
i mean X team is red Y is blue.. (blue defends) and say that Y team is full of nubs who rush to the glitcher and youre the only 1 and you know how to glitch? what would you do?

[kaosx]

Those players that do lag tends to pass through the corner causing them to pop out much sonner than than the other player may see. There they may be accused of wallhack, the lagging players see the enemy around the corner a second before the other player can see them.

Running behind a wall and have your hp to drop to 56, is because the shooter is lagging causing u to take damage even behind cover.....

Lag is the biggest problem in the game. Many plpayers use Xfire and similar programs to lag through objects and therefore "glitch"

Please find a solution to this lag. This will make the game a lot beeter for all players and encourage them to not leave. =]

[kaosx]

i mean X team is red Y is blue.. (blue defends) and say that Y team is full of nubs who rush to the glitcher and youre the only 1 and you know how to glitch? what would you do?

the glitcher will obviously glitch becore the other team can reach the glitcher.....dont forget that the glitcher has a team of his own...the kik function is a problem there because the glitcher's team doesnt want to kik the glitcher because he is winning the game for them.

Can the kik function possibly change so that both teams may kick other players on the other team but make it lik 70% of vote so one team cant just easily kik a player on the other team.

[StingReay]

The most places that need this water pit would be the green shipping crates in shanghai and bridge crates and cars. Also Ijji needs to fix the latter glitch on bridge. Too many people are using it. :idea:
Here's a way to beat people who glitch the truck in bridge: Throw a 'nade under there.

[Vondor]

Heres a problem, programs that come out, that dont require installation, are being used to cause lag -Example Lag bot...etc. etc. Even one called Fraps. and so on, these are just one of the problems on why glitching continues..

[Acroph0b!a*]

The only problem I see with that is the users who lag a bit. I notice sometimes when they turn a corner, they slightly pass through that corner.





I see that all the time..especially in Hospital, and Shanghai...
When im spectating them they go through the wall, but its all black.
Heres a question also
When they go through it, do they see the same thing we see???

[phr34k1sh]

Let me just throw something out there... if the community can find so many glitches, why not have a Beta-Server where the GM's spectate, if the users find a glitch... no big deal, just log that there is a glitch... but i understand there is many more issues than just a simple "Glitch" but there is lag problems.... i have found myself kill a person with a headshot and they kill me with a knife at the same time, now i dont know if this just shows the delay... or if this is truely how the game play is suppose to be... but besides that i have seen and heard of people creating lag with xfire by taking "Screen Shots" and walking in to objects, such as the Truck in Desert... or some people use it as a type of "Speed Hack" when that is absolutely in no way "Hacking" and in fact, i do not look at any game cheats as hacks, because more than half of them have nothing to do with gaining access to anything... it is simply "Abusing" or "Cheating" what is left un-fixed.

[donut2563]

There is a problem with the "Suicide" occuring durring glitching, the "laggers" die beacuase they accidently go into a wall/object. Also some glitchers still live because they glitch into objects not walls.One last thing, they have many glitching videos on sites that promote glitching,if u GMs whatch these u may find out how to counter it.. or not

[Gregst4]

who cares about people who glitch into objects you can just kick them or nade them out, its so easy. I just like to simply go around them, rush, plant bomb, or if on blue team camp and wait for him to come...

[Gregst4]

You should be thanking ijji from patching the black area glitches. :clap::clap::clap:
On KSF they havnt patched any glitch at all so you can do anything you want there which is really annoying...

[NegativePain]

so if you made all objects that people would glitch into where when you shoot to the outside from inside the object, it would act as your shooting a wall and the bullets wouldent go through? is that possible?

[trykillme]

for patch the glitch i heard a thing : when ppl glitch they fall and they got killed. You can do this for stop glitching

[Gregst4]

I noticed that most of the time glitchers play together in games so if their team tries to kick them they just page down each other.

[XXMusicPwnsXX]

I saw major glitching on The Fortress level today... Took several screen shots, reporting right now.

[CheeseGuardian2]

I haven't played this game in about 6 months. I really expected the wall exploit problem to get fixed during that timespan. And now, judging by what I'm seeing on the forums, there are more hackers too?

But, at least something is being done about the wall thing now, as opposed to the "We are aware of the problem, goodbye!" attitude the devs had a while back.

I can't play this game now (out of SP, broken weapons (and my k/d was something like 1.6 so I'm no noob)), but if this problem gets fixed I might make a new account and play it again.

[ruud1992]

i heard much people use fraps to gltich can u ban fraps from game im sick of gltichers >=[

[Carnage001]

glitchers suck same with tappers and pros that think they have skill in sniping but they use aimbot or lag shot and think its normal

[UrLegend]

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