Town Meetings / Stocks

[GM_Dak]

Hi everyone,
There has been some confusion about when Town Meetings should be held, so I'd like to take this time to explain it.
Each in-game year, the first Shareholder Meeting called by anyone does not take any stocks. Then, any time within that year, even if the Town Chief has recently ended his/her term, the next person to call a Shareholder Meeting will be deducted 1% of the town's total stock number. Therefore most towns will want to wait to call the first meeting of the game-year until after the Town Chief's term has ended. Anyone wishing to start a Shareholder meeting after that, will have to pay 1% or wait until the next year. No distinction is made as to whether it is a former TC or anyone else calling the meeting.
Please keep this in mind when considering a Shareholder Meeting, and consider contacting the TC to schedule it. To anyone who has been charged this 1% stock fee and was wondering why, it is because you started a Shareholder Meeting within the same year as one that had already taken place. These stocks taken by the fee cannot be given back because this is working as it is intended to.

*edited to clarify 1% of town's total stock, not person's -GM_Dak **

[Yuehan666]

Thanks Dakky for explaining. ^_^

[Hentai4rel]

Well..... this can be exploited, and I am sure some TC's will want their stock back when this happens. I don't want to really explain how incase it gives people ideas.

I know I myself lost stock because the vote started then before I gave consentment I disconected, and I had to start the vote over again, because of the disconection and lost 1% stock. It really isn't an option of waiting another game year (12 days) and watching the town explode, in order to prevent stock loss because of a disconection. I pmed you about this when it happened months ago and got no response. Like I said... that isn't really fair to shareholders starting the vote, and there are other ways of exploiting this, which again I wont mention, but I can talk to you in personal messages if you would like. It is a problem that happens in global sometimes as well, however, I am not sure how they handle the situation.

Event though I basicly just explained how it can be exploited (if you can infer a few things) if you understand how please do not do this to towns.. it is really mean, or at least don't post it for people who don't understand how it can be used.

[dark_archer179]

hey dak i know you cant get the stocks back where does the stock go?

[Jackspeed]

Eh can you just send one stock to an alt and start it?

[vnbabe]

yes i lost a lot of stocks T.T both Athraven and Nortonham >.> and i think its 1% of total stocks that u loose.. because i lost more than 1% of my own stocks. >.<

[GM_Dak]

Sorry, we can't refund for disconnects, there are many exploitable reasons why :( . As for the 1%, yes, it is 1% of the town's total stocks, not yours.

[UnknowLP]

Well..... this can be exploited

It wont be fair if someone continously to call a meeting once per 2 days till a town explore.
If someone has 3% stock (which isn't hard to get) - they can abuse it in more ways than...

The lost of 1% is a prevention or you'll see how useless subtitle is in the game.
When a meeting is called on global server (40+ town) every 5 day.
~I'll also neglect on what I should or was going to say since it'll start to give other the idea too

Personally, for Athravan's case - would you rather spent 1% to save the town or have all shares become paper weight? < Its an expense, not a lost.

I am however consideration it to be unfair to player who is trying to run for TC on new town.
That they must loss 1% share if they failed to call the meeting first.
Kucha and Louhan < First meeting all ended with more disagree.
Then the party that wish to run the town pay 1% to recall the meeting instead of 12days.
Yes, I think there should be a refund for those player.

Note: You can't use 1% share to overrite a meeting that is in progress. (Town loss 2-3M/day)
Reborn

[{K}evlar²]

Ya, it would make more sense if ...

Someone elects a TC and if that person becomes TC they don't lose any shares, if the person elected loses then they lose the shares.

[Namwin]

Ya, it would make more sense if ...

Someone elects a TC and if that person becomes TC they don't lose any shares, if the person elected loses then they lose the shares.

So if I were to have 49% of the shares for a town and lost the candidate meeting, you'd want about half of the shares to disappear?

[{K}evlar²]

No, just lose the 1% of the shares they used to cast the vote....

That would be stupid :O

[Warriordkl]

Hi everyone,
There has been some confusion about when Town Meetings should be held, so I'd like to take this time to explain it.
Each in-game year, the first Shareholder Meeting called by anyone does not take any stocks. Then, any time within that year, even if the Town Chief has recently ended his/her term, the next person to call a Shareholder Meeting will be deducted 1% of the town's total stock number. Therefore most towns will want to wait to call the first meeting of the game-year until after the Town Chief's term has ended. Anyone wishing to start a Shareholder meeting after that, will have to pay 1% or wait until the next year. No distinction is made as to whether it is a former TC or anyone else calling the meeting.
Please keep this in mind when considering a Shareholder Meeting, and consider contacting the TC to schedule it. To anyone who has been charged this 1% stock fee and was wondering why, it is because you started a Shareholder Meeting within the same year as one that had already taken place. These stocks taken by the fee cannot be given back because this is working as it is intended to.

*edited to clarify 1% of town's total stock, not person's -GM_Dak **


http://forums.ijji.com/showthread.php?t=192104

"Each in-game year, the first Shareholder Meeting called by anyone does not take any stocks."

That is, in a "game year", not "within a year's time". If a new game year starts (the number changes from 13 to 14 for instance), the first person to request a shareholder meeting doesn't lose stocks. Then the 2nd and everyone after, loses 1% stocks. The distinction is, 'per game year', not 'one year after the last meeting'.


Dak, i just proposed meeting at beginning of year 16, and lost 1% shares, altho last meeting was in year 15...To prove this you can check Talatat Hall in Hera. I started this meeting in month 1 year 16, so there shouldnt be any other meeting before this in year 16.

Now can I asked for my 103 shares back.... You gave me wrong infor, I was believing u that first meeting of the year does not take 1% shares. Anyway, my Original amount was 1266 shares from talatat, i lost 1% of town stock which is 103 shares, now i only have 1163 shares left...

[UnknowLP]

Dak, i just proposed meeting at beginning of year 16, and lost 1% shares, altho last meeting was in year 15...To prove this you can check Talatat Hall in Hera. I started this meeting in month 1 year 16, so there shouldnt be any other meeting before this in year 16.

Now can I asked for my 103 shares back.... You gave me wrong infor, I was believing u that first meeting of the year does not take 1% shares. Anyway, my Original amount was 1266 shares from talatat, i lost 1% of town stock which is 103 shares, now i only have 1163 shares left...

It has to be 1 full year.
If there was a meeting on Year:15 Month:12 Day:28
And you called the meeting on Year:15 Month:1 Day:30

Then yes, you do loss 1% for calling a meeting within 1 year length.
You should had called it at Year:16 Month:12 and Day:30?

Reborn

[Warriordkl]

It has to be 1 full year.
If there was a meeting on Year:15 Month:12 Day:28
And you called the meeting on Year:15 Month:1 Day:30

Then yes, you do loss 1% for calling a meeting within 1 year length.
You should had called it at Year:16 Month:12 and Day:30?

Reborn

Last meeting was Year 15 month 7
My meeting is Year 16 month 1

I should have waited until year 16 month 7 to NOT LOSE shares


yes, i should have "waited 1 full year", but i never proposed any meeting before so i did not know how this work...so instead I trusted GM_Dak, and "waited for the beginning of a year" and lost 1%, so now i have to beg Dak for the shares coz he posted wrong infor..:cry:

[Hentai4rel]

Last meeting was Year 15 month 7
My meeting is Year 16 month 1

I should have waited until year 16 month 7 to NOT LOSE shares


yes, i should have "waited 1 full year", but i never proposed any meeting before so i did not know how this work...so instead I trusted GM_Dak, and "waited for the beginning of a year" and lost 1%, so now i have to beg Dak for the shares coz he posted wrong infor..:cry:

He is gonna say sorry is working as posted, sucks though I know how you feel
I've pretty much given up and trying to talk to GM's about problems with the game
I'm pretty sure Ijji doesn't care what players say, you try and convince them something doesn't work or isn't implemented inteligementalamly and they say, sorry no it is working your wrong.... have you seen the amount of junk you have to do to report a bug? its like 16 page notarized document by the federal mass multiplayer online gaming commission complete with 15 screenshots of the occurrence your entire history of electronic use, the computer specification of every pc and Mac within a mile of your house, and all of their network configurations, any accompanied hardware or peripherals, a detailed history of your pc use in the last 15 years photos of your social security card and birth certificate......ect. ect.

"and unless you complete all the following we will completely ignore your problem",
you can't even try and help these guys out through their own system without it being a total pain.

No joke go look at the bug report forms....

[GM_Dak]

He is gonna say sorry is working as posted, sucks though I know how you feel

Nope, if what he says is right I might be wrong about this. I am finding out right now.
The difference with your problem is I was right about it...

[Warriordkl]

ok cool, let me know when u find out, thx Dak.

[Warriordkl]

Nope, if what he says is right I might be wrong about this. I am finding out right now.
The difference with your problem is I was right about it...


it takes quite a long time to find sumthing so simple :confused2:

[Warriordkl]

bump, Dak please i dont want this thread go into history...

[Hentai4rel]

bump, Dak please i dont want this thread go into history...

just keep bumping this thread or make a new one, I got the answer to my question here, which was "sorry I'm right"... only took like 2 1/2 months ish after having asked and sent several pms which where ignored by Dak... sorry tangent...

just keep bumping this

[Jif]

Ok, I have a question. Say person A has 3% stock at Town 1 and person 2 is the Tc of Town 1. What is stopping person 1 from running for TC every year if he happens to click faster than person 2. Then Person 2 would have to pay 1% stocks every year to keep control. Seems like a flawed system to me.

[Namwin]

I believe if person 1 is disagreed upon in the meeting. person 2 stays as TC.

[nar9000]

well that is the thing, if what dak said is true then jif's post is correct... anyhow i wish we could get some real info on the rules of this process..

i can think of alot of ways to fix the system if what dak said is true...

[Hentai4rel]

Ok, I have a question. Say person A has 3% stock at Town 1 and person 2 is the Tc of Town 1. What is stopping person 1 from running for TC every year if he happens to click faster than person 2. Then Person 2 would have to pay 1% stocks every year to keep control. Seems like a flawed system to me.

this is what i was talking about, but this (so far it seems) as flawed as it is, is fair by Ijji's standards.

[hussain]

even if the person disagreed wins and stops that person from becomeing TC u have to wait another 12 days to elect so 1 way or another they want u to lose shares

[UnknowLP]

even if the person disagreed wins and stops that person from becomeing TC u have to wait another 12 days to elect so 1 way or another they want u to lose shares

On my server - Many TC had waited till their term expire before calling.
Shenburry, Athravan, Nortonham~etc

There is rarely any hastle takeover played by Athena player.
Or they were willingly to use 1% share to revoke the TC right away (2nd day)

What seen natural to some are often frustrating to many.
^_^ Good luck with Talatat - It is unstable at this point.
Ps. If Cho log on - ask him to contact me.
ZeroLelouch Hera
Reborn Athena

[nar9000]

any word on finding out how this works? is kind of important, eh?

[masfregon]

http://arsenal sup to every one

[GM_Dak]

any word on finding out how this works? is kind of important, eh?

It looks like it is one year after the last shareholder meeting was called, not the first one of the year. ie, if one was called in year 14, month 6: don't call the next one in year 15, month 1, but after the time it was called in month 6.

[vnbabe]

uh hmm.. Dak yur on.. uhh hmmm ... >.< ^^

[hussain]

i just wish u said it that way before i lost my shares 8(

[Warriordkl]

It looks like it is one year after the last shareholder meeting was called, not the first one of the year. ie, if one was called in year 14, month 6: don't call the next one in year 15, month 1, but after the time it was called in month 6.

basically that means DAK lied to us earlier, and i lost my shares for no reason, hussain also lost his shares im not sure why. Anyway, I believe I SHOULD get a refund of the shares i lost b/c of ur incorrect infor. And btw thx for the reply, month after i quitted, and after all that messages i sent to you w/o a reply. Im not playing anymore, but I think Dak, u should still refund the shares to make the game fair and to take ur responsibility as a GM.

[hussain]

Hi everyone,

Each in-game year, the first Shareholder Meeting called by anyone does not take any stocks. Then, any time within that year, even if the Town Chief has recently ended his/her term, the next person to call a Shareholder Meeting will be deducted 1% of the town's total stock number.


ya i am with warriordkl aka friedchiken RIP :P
i send him a message got reply in 3 days :=p: and he said sorry no refund :busted:
i was like damn, cuz i read his post about stocks just to be sure
and he didnt state that i will lose my shares if a person loses a election i still have to wait 1yr.
if he done that i would of not lost my shares

i am just disapointed by this whole event.

[Lelouch_Reborn]

It looks like it is one year after the last shareholder meeting was called, not the first one of the year. ie, if one was called in year 14, month 6: don't call the next one in year 15, month 1, but after the time it was called in month 6.

The first post of this forum need to be edited.
It might continue to mislead player with 'incorrect' infomation.

basically that means DAK lied to us earlier, and i lost my shares for no reason, hussain also lost his shares im not sure why. Anyway, I believe I SHOULD get a refund of the shares i lost b/c of ur incorrect infor. And btw thx for the reply, month after i quitted, and after all that messages i sent to you w/o a reply. Im not playing anymore, but I think Dak, u should still refund the shares to make the game fair and to take ur responsibility as a GM.

ya i am with warriordkl aka friedchiken RIP :P
i send him a message got reply in 3 days :=p: and he said sorry no refund :busted:
i was like damn, cuz i read his post about stocks just to be sure
and he didnt state that i will lose my shares if a person loses a election i still have to wait 1yr.
if he done that i would of not lost my shares

i am just disapointed by this whole event.

I dunno if a GM has the authority to refund share but maybe in another form of compensation.
GM_Dak did apologize (this isn't first time) and it should be enough as it is.
We make alot of mistake on this game with stats/skill reset and varies other thing.
Please don't be too upset with the lost.
The main purpose of this forum was to inform and help other. (intention was well)
But mis guided nevertheless.

[Hentai4rel]

lol gm can refund anything, Dak has refunded people who have said that they were using candy or 4 leaf right before maintenance started unexpected like. In fact I remember reading a thread where he gave a guy using a star candy in this sorta situation 2 star candy as a like sorry sorta thing. He has also given people wolf mounts for no reason other than to be nice, (this was not during an event) (and no I'm not talking about the 2 tigers that where given out way early in game before raccoon boxes) ect. ect.

I'd be careful about TELLING a GM to do anything btw, regardless of what needs editing lol

[hussain]

Ya


im with u Hentai

[xAcyraz]

just keep bumping this thread or make a new one, I got the answer to my question here, which was "sorry I'm right"... only took like 2 1/2 months ish after having asked and sent several pms which where ignored by Dak... sorry tangent...

just keep bumping this

lol keep bumping until u get ur answer xD