Healing is not for noobs, whining is.

[Strukt]

When i get 6 kills 2 deaths after my partner bails on me vs a thief and a warrior and they call me a noob for healing when they have 1 kill 3 death each...
I am a priest am I not allowed to heal myself via pvp?
If not i think the devs should disable the heals in pvp cause I wont stand getting kicked off games by noobs for doing nothing wrong. But if they would do that no one would play them cause it would be wetaded.
All the noobs out there that whine after I heal, make a healer yourself and try not to heal. I mean W/o the heals the priest wouldnt be a priest, it would just be a unbalanced mage that would die in seconds lol.

[yagaha]

lol just read other threads... and healers can be strong without healing ^^

[Strukt]

I know but the MP regen skill takes HP how am I going to fix myself from that?
The heals are needed, its a balance issue.

[yagaha]

dont regen MP, just make your combo's so that all you skills hit ^^ eir has some pretty high damage combo's I went on my friend's eir, and found out some of them while PvP that Eir's IGN is Xiaoxing mayB u met him ;p just go to practice field @ episode 1, and check it out there

[Strukt]

im lvl 17 I dont think i met him yet :P
Well if I wanted to do that id just make a mage but thats not the case I like my heals :(
edit: I think people should just learn to stop people from healing themselves.

[Scatter]

Just heal. Seriously. If they're any good, they'd STOP you from healing by cancelling it and beating the crap out of you.

People saying Eir can't heal is like saying Dacy can't use dolls. It's a major part of her moveset, so don't be ashamed to use it.

[shuyu1]

the thing is you dont need to heal to pvp good in pvp like i never heal and its easy to win. you need to use a and s alot when pvping but most ppl heal if they cant beat you when you heal then they are noobs but just saying that healing is nothign wrong with it but lots of ppl hate it and if you use a and s alot you can sustain your mana for quite a while

[AkumaM]

Go ahead and heal, if they can't stop you then it's their problem ;)

[HeartStation]

Because healing is unfair to other characters. Yes you can't regen mp well you can so that's unfair too. You don't see siegs healing their hp or mp. Healing in team versus team situations like fortress is generally looked down upon since it's unfair. 1vs1, isn't that hard to beat healers. It's mainly if you do it in free for alls.

[Tycane]

Because healing is unfair to other characters. Yes you can't regen mp well you can so that's unfair too. You don't see siegs healing their hp or mp. Healing in team versus team situations like fortress is generally looked down upon since it's unfair. 1vs1, isn't that hard to beat healers. It's mainly if you do it in free for alls.

You should use your brain more.

"you don't see siegs healing" of course you don't, they are the MELEE/TANK person, Dainn is the MAGICIAN, Eir is the Priestess/HEALER

"healing is unfair to other characters" It's not our fault our opponents are idiots that stand around while we heal up, it's their own fault for not trying to actually AVOID our spells, they just run up and think they can spam the A button and win.

[Grimnoir]

Just heal. Seriously. If they're any good, they'd STOP you from healing by cancelling it and beating the crap out of you.

People saying Eir can't heal is like saying Dacy can't use dolls. It's a major part of her moveset, so don't be ashamed to use it.

So much truth right here.

[Sieglende]

IMO, Healing is a crutch to being good lol. But if you gotta heal, then do so. I'll be sure to interrupt it when I can.

[Gladiat]

Lol. Healing's good against people that don't bother cancelling it.

If you heal, it's simple to just use a skill, cancel it, and u end up wasting MP.

If people complain, tell them to STFU and that it's part of the game.

[GBPgotbanned]

Just heal. Seriously. If they're any good, they'd STOP you from healing by cancelling it and beating the crap out of you.

People saying Eir can't heal is like saying Dacy can't use dolls. It's a major part of her moveset, so don't be ashamed to use it.

agreed...i do it all the time...rapig healers when they try to escape...lol evrytime im against a healer i tell my teammates right way: go for the healer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol...if they dont i just leave >.< also u on hera or athena?

[panda4life]

those people are just idiots that are too stupid to stop you from healing yourself
go on healing
if they are that ******ed
point and laugh
lol jking ofcourse
dont be rude
><

[yagaha]

again; healing is not that bad but, the side effects and how people use it, the most people who heal are also runners... besides, if you playin in a team and your team mate(s) cant get rid of the healer the match takes like 10~15 minutes.. xD that's too long for me

[ikoku]

healings ok at 1vs1 or so
but i had some annoying matches like there was a runner, always running and a healer that was spam healing
always when i killed him the healer fake ressed him :|
and when i attacked the healer the double teamed me :(

[Kyr2000]

ya some people will complain about you healing. you either adjust to their rules or just kick their ***. and healers are very very powerful without heal. they are not unbalanced mages. if any case they are over powered mages

[yagaha]

ya some people will complain about you healing. you either adjust to their rules or just kick their ***. and healers are very very powerful without heal. they are not unbalanced mages. if any case they are over powered mages

true ;p thheir moons... high damage and cooldown is like ZOMGBBQ WTFF, when i played eir for fun i was thinking: LOL

[ViolenceFight]

I could care less. Heal all day, Waste all your MP While giving me time to get into Backstab Position, and then start a combo.

Healing eats HUGE Amounts of MP. And most of your healing spells that heal multiple times over the course of the animation are so long and cost so much MP, that by the time you got your first 192 HP Healed, It's either canceled by someone, or you cancel it to avoid being hit.

In Short: Heal, if they can't stop you, it's not your fault.

[HeartStation]

You should use your brain more.

"you don't see siegs healing" of course you don't, they are the MELEE/TANK person, Dainn is the MAGICIAN, Eir is the Priestess/HEALER

"healing is unfair to other characters" It's not our fault our opponents are idiots that stand around while we heal up, it's their own fault for not trying to actually AVOID our spells, they just run up and think they can spam the A button and win.

If you'd play long enough, you would know eirs could own without healing. Healing is just an extra advantage. I am using my brain, healers are generally easy to take down since they run out of mp fairly quickly and they usually never reach higher levels cause they give up in pvp since they don't have enough skill points. Seriously I think this and spamming is the only thing that annoys me in pvp with all the relatively new players.

[Yura]

Well..
I mean Healing and Dt'ing have been like.. unwritten rules (of what not to do) for like.. ever. But im not going to say that you shouldn't. If you want to heal or anything without being told not to.. Make your own room. As for Eirs in general. They are extremely powerfull. No need to heal anyways.

Oh, and Just for the heads up xD
The only thing people really hate. is if you're a runner..

[shermanator316]

Whoever said, "Healing is for noobs.", stop playing Lunia and never come back.

[Kyr2000]

guys its just a game so let them do wtf they want to except for hack.

[panda4life]

i still dont get why HEALERS shouldnt heal
does that make any sense at all?
ooooh ur a theif dont poison
...
wtf... that doesnt make sense either
ooh how about this on
ooooh ur a warrior no dfist cuz its too cheap
wtf...

oh my absolute favorite
NO TRANSFORMS
omg... wow lol...
what do people get limes for in the first place then

of course
there are the more logical arguements
if i cant heal then u cant s charge mana
that makes perfect sense


ultimately
healers SHOULD heal
its not an unwritten rule
its a idiotic forced rule like
declaring war on iraq
or your parents saying
you should do this cuz i said so
so am i supposed to jump off a cliff if u said so?
hell if ur that kind of parent
id happily jump off

so let healers heal
its sorta their NAME
lol

[Skies]

If your winning so badly, you could give them a chance and not heal. If it's a close fight and you get a chance to heal, go for it.

[DarkGuy]

Siegs do heal. They have a buff skill which does so.

Just tell them that:
No 3 wave heal? No nado!
No sunlight? No WW sword.
No self heal? No provoke!

End of story.

Well, that's for 1v1. In that case, I say eirs should heal.

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As for team PvP, it's a whole different story; let's say only one team has an healer and the situation is like this:

-I'm the only one in my team left.
-The other team has a healer and a siege left.
-The Sieg fights me, and the healer doesn't stop healing and fake resing him.
Is that fair now? no!

[Anguish]

Every single argument against healing in pvp (team or 1v1) is either flawed or fallacious.
Guys, the game was made to be played with team dynamics and has powerful potential for amazing pvp BECAUSE of the special utilization of professions.

What seems be lacking in the player base of this game is some educated people who understand how to pvp AS A TEAM, or AS AN INDIVIDUAL. You hear complaints all day long about how "it's not fair this, and not fair that" what isn't fair is having to hear/put up with that crap. So a team with a healer just raped your team because you lack one, and they could heal? DEAL WITH IT. That's the healer's specialty. YES they have good skills for defense and offense! BUT NO that doesn't mean that healing "is just a perk". It's their ability to support their team! you think it's unfair? well then either 1. take out the healer first. 2. get a healer on YOUR team. (having friends and being polite helps here, I know, crazy thought). Guys, it's not rocket science, it's good pvping. learn to utilize your own specialties and stop giving other professions crap about theirs. The only people who make fun of a HEALER for HEALING, are f'ing noobs
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Okay, so guys, what have we learned today?
1. you're a noob if you believe healers shouldn't be allowed to heal, and furthermore, you're probably a **** pvper if you can't just stop their healing mid way through (wastes tons of their mp, which they have to give up hp to replace)
2. You need to learn to stop complaining, it ruins good, fun, pvping.
3. learn to team pvp! PLAY AS A TEAM IF IT'S A TEAM MATCH, that's the whole point of the system. If you don't like it, then gtfo! you're probably just either too lazy, or too ******ed to learn how to play as a team.

[DivineRoyalty]

Eirs that do not know how to dodge attacks and only use skills are basically vunerable most the time...... holy spirit for example, if they do not know how to cancel it then you have about 1-2 seconds to attack them. Same with moon pieces, there's NO way to cancel it. And when an eir does heal it just means you're giving them too much room, if you were to chase them around and avoid their attacks, THERE WOULD BE NO OPENING FOR HEALING. If a healer heals then you basically have to blame yourself for letting them do so.

[Yura]

Lets just put it this way.
Yes, Nobody really likes healing thus the creation of the Pvp Eir. No healing needed. Am I sayng that healing shouldnt be done? No, I have a Pve eir myself. I dont heal in Pvp, but thats just me. I also dont like when people heal me. If I lead a room, I dont care if others heal or not. But I want to know that I can win with my own skills.
As for Bans, Yeah, Ive been banned a lot just by entering a room. They yell no Healing, and Kick me. I dont heal >_>. Sometimes, they'll let me in (say in a Team tourny) and before the countdown finishes tell me not to heal. Its just that people feel threatened when you can do something to your advantage. so they want to do anything they can to stop you from doing so. Thats why all classes have been given certain things to combat other classes
Seigs - Magic def etc.
Dainns - Resistance Buffs
Eir - Healing/ Buffs
Tia - Throwing items / Cloaking
Lime - Multi Transformations / Pot spit up
Dacy - Umm.. they just own

All im trying to say is that dont get mad.. Just leave the room. Its all the leaders choice anyays.. Dont make such a big deal out of it.

[Itosken]

Lol healing's the best thing to do if you're being DTed( Double Teamed), but if the room captain says no healing...then go by the rules

Other than that...if the room title says a default room name , check if the leader says ok..
=D

Ima PVPer, and i dont use heals, unless they say i can Lolz

[fLinty]

This argument all over again....

I even see freaking hypocritical people who write without punctuation marks, incomprehensible word order, and givers of fallacious arguments, etc (who ironically are healers). <_<;;

If you're a healer and you say you "don't heal, run, nor spam" and just combos people to death: STOP BEING HYPOCRITES. Even pro Eir PvP'ers I've seen (even kLunian Eirs) have spamming, running (actually more of dodging), and failed/successful healing moments. SO JUST STOP BEING SELF-RIGHTEOUS B*TCHES WHO ADVOCATE NON-HEALING MARTYRDOM. You're using a support class, FFS. Of course, healing is a spell so might as well USE it.

If you're a healer who admits you heal provided the reasonable circumstances: Kudos to you. BUT if you just run and spam and not even ONE single attempt at comboing (and for FFS, you're effing PvP level 22), then you're just as terrible as those self-righteous hypocrites I've mentioned above.

If you're a non-healer who see the logic and balance of things pertaining to Eir issues in PvP: Thanks for actually thinking it through.

If you're a non-healer who WHINE just because you can't win against a healer: GTFO of Lunia.

But take note: I am not saying that healers should not follow the rules of a PvP room. Ethics. But if you expect a healer to freaking NOT heal BUT you did not state it in your room rules, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to call him/her names. Whining because the support class can attack and support at the same time IS a crutch to say 'Oh, I'm pro. I own nib healers.'

[925AzN]

this problem will never be solved because everyone has their own opinion on how to play in pvp and if its not according to their standards then 'you're a noob'

i might as well flame on this topic..
Personally, idc if a healer heals especially in 1v1 but in team pvp, it can get irritating because you then have to focus on killing the healer first since the healer can heal everyone that you are trying to kill. And usually the healer hates been ganged up on and you would hear things like " NO double teaming!"... while i like to call that "team work".

As people have mentioned if you want 1v1 then do 1v1 but if its team matches then remember that its called "team matches" for a reason. Unless you want the pvp tournament type then do that because its irritating to hear "omg DT!". Ex from other games " halo: if you play 4v4 on a team death match, you cannot complain, 1v1 only! ..omg DT!"

regarding combos: the expectation of combos in a pvp match depends on you and your opponent's skill level but lets assume both the players *any class* want to combo. The expectation is that you don't use/spam certain skills and that you can combo to an extent. Keep in mind that combos are mostly close/mid range.

- Classes like sieg and tia can use most of their skill is due to the fact that they are close ranged class. They have their dis-advantages as well.
- Other classes sometimes do get limited to what skill they can use due to their own advantages
-Dainn is a good example of a class that is made for 'long ranges' but it's expected to do close combat combos, if he uses too many range attacks "spammer!" even then, combos are still possible w/ out using 'certain' skills for ANY class.
- For ex. Dacy is a puppeteer BUT there are Dacys that fight/ combo without puppets. Same way, a healer doesn't need heals to fight a match. And they own.

-------- This was an example of what one may 'expect' from ppl that combo.--------

- BOTTOM line: Its not about how pro you are ,its "what are you expecting from each class?" This will factor into how you want to fight, if you're PICKY then be the room leader and chose who you WANT to play. Don't join rooms then complain because its not what you 'expected'.

calling each other noobs is overrated.

[Anguish]

It's depressing when a gaming community starts yelling "noob" for a bonafide way to play the game.
yes, it's annoying to have a healer/mage/etc run, nuke, run, nuke, run, nuke. but guys, you're classifying it incorrectly by calling it spamming, EVERYONE SPAMS TO SOME POINT. there isn't an infinite amount of moves to this game, so obviously repetition, no matter how "good" you are, occurs. However, KITTING, which is what running then nuking repeatedly, while some might look down on it, has ALWAYS been a way to pvp. A person would be an idiot in a REAL (yes boys and girls, I'm talking about the real world now) fight, to not use movement and repetition to win. Maneuvering is part of war, fighting, and pvp.

If you can't beat someone who runs, nukes, runs, nukes. it's not a lack on their part, or a problem in "Game etiquette" it's you being a weak pvper. Banning people from rooms because of kitting or healing is poor sportsmanship on your behalf, and making "rules" about how someone else has to play, is also poor sportsmanship on your behalf.

[NamineH]

i unno every class has an annoying side to them just everyone seems no only notice healing as a horrible horrible thing i mean healing is nothing compared to dacy and lime's dmg tia's atk speed is pretty annoying, sieg's comboing capabilities and dmg are also very annoying, dain's haxor melee and infinite amout of spell spamms are also very annoying, try facing a lvl 50 mage spammer with a healer and you wont think healing is so bad XP

[Grieverus]

It's depressing when a gaming community starts yelling "noob" for a bonafide way to play the game.
yes, it's annoying to have a healer/mage/etc run, nuke, run, nuke, run, nuke. but guys, you're classifying it incorrectly by calling it spamming, EVERYONE SPAMS TO SOME POINT. there isn't an infinite amount of moves to this game, so obviously repetition, no matter how "good" you are, occurs. However, KITTING, which is what running then nuking repeatedly, while some might look down on it, has ALWAYS been a way to pvp. A person would be an idiot in a REAL (yes boys and girls, I'm talking about the real world now) fight, to not use movement and repetition to win. Maneuvering is part of war, fighting, and pvp.

If you can't beat someone who runs, nukes, runs, nukes. it's not a lack on their part, or a problem in "Game etiquette" it's you being a weak pvper. Banning people from rooms because of kitting or healing is poor sportsmanship on your behalf, and making "rules" about how someone else has to play, is also poor sportsmanship on your behalf.

Umm, I disagree completely. There's a clear difference between spamming, comboing, running and dodging.

I don't think you can penalize someone for not bothering to do their best in a PVP match against a spammer. When I'm up against a spammer, I hardly ever bother with too many combos. I'll just spam them to death.

[Killface]

It is not that healers, runners, and spammers are hard to beat. It is that they are annoying and cause the game to last longer than they should.

[fLinty]

It is not that healers, runners, and spammers are hard to beat. It is that they are annoying and cause the game to last longer than they should.

This is funny. How long should a match last anyway? <_<

[Skies]

This is funny. How long should a match last anyway? <_<

Well, for example: In a team tourney pvp with 2 Eirs. 1 runs off and heals, the second has 3 options, go and attack the other, do nothing, or heal themself. As an Eir, I always heal myself. This obviously, make the match last longer and the result would probably be the same as if the other didn't heal.

[Anguish]

Well, for example: In a team tourney pvp with 2 Eirs. 1 runs off and heals, the second has 3 options, go and attack the other, do nothing, or heal themself. As an Eir, I always heal myself. This obviously, make the match last longer and the result would probably be the same as if the other didn't heal.

So, what you, and other people who agree with you, are arguing is that it's unethical to heal in a PVP because it makes the PVP last longer?
obviously you must not be pvping for the fun of it, or you would like the game to last longer.
and if you aren't playing for the fun of it, why are you playing game? In my opinion a great pvp round is when the other team CAN make a drastic come back and win. I like having my skills tested, and when I'm not playing on my eir, I love it when other teams/eirs do a great job. IT'S FUN.

[Anguish]

Umm, I disagree completely. There's a clear difference between spamming, comboing, running and dodging.

I don't think you can penalize someone for not bothering to do their best in a PVP match against a spammer. When I'm up against a spammer, I hardly ever bother with too many combos. I'll just spam them to death.

and as long as ou don't complain, that's perfectly fine. Pvping different people different ways is completely justifiable, whining after you just got pwned by someone else because you couldn't beat them is immature

[evileyees]

ok healing isnt bad unless ur team is vs 2 or 1 person
then u shouldnt heal >.>


dont heal with uneven teams x.x

[Killface]

I was the last one left on my team fighting 2 Eirs and 2 Dacys. They healed, but I didn't complain because it just made the fight interesting. I ended up killing all of them except for one Eir too. :=p:

[Anguish]

well, that would just be illogical also, why not just crush the other ppl? ;)