Attack and Defend

[»NlNJA«]

People are saying Wall canceling on the wall in attack and defend and shooting the guys under is cheating. As long as you dont pass that little ledge on their side. I want to clearify this. And what happens if you actually fall.. I think this is what should happen. No shooting on the ground you get up touch ur base then u can go on the wall and shoot again. or if u tumble and shoot as long as u shoot in the air b4 landing and no longer shoot while on the ground its legal. Yes they may shoot at you if on the ground. My opinion.. Yours?

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[nugetsnfries]

Well my interpretation is this, if you fall to the ground, then you fail and should just die. If you can't do it then don't try. But um...if you accidently fall (which really shouldn't be possible unless you intended on crossing the line) then I guess you should be allowed to go back up. Unfortunatly, its not easy to tell whether it was accidental or not. But Wall canceling should be fine but use at your own risk, if you fall you die.

[xAzNFoRcEx]

I think going over the ledge is considered cheating while defending. Although if they jus fell, i dont mind just as long as they get back up. If they dont try to get back up and suddenly atk you when they are down there, that is definately cheating.

[»NlNJA«]

everyone yells at me cuz i accidnetly fall CHEATER CHEATER cuz someone spams a rocket behind me and bam fell =[

[Whist]

I'm kind of both ways on this one. It depends on the situation.

If the attack team is activily attacking (ie not camping around corners where defense cannot go) then no, they should not be able to this.

But if the attack team seems to be trying to play defense. Then yes. Or if they're floor rocketing.

However, if the player falls when doing this, they should not return fire and should climb back up as quickly as possible. They're a free kill of the attacking team can catch them fast enough.

[lllAE86lll]

I would say its not fair ! While u health and u get shot by the wall on the guy flying >.>

[»NlNJA«]

I think going over the ledge is considered cheating while defending. Although if they jus fell, i dont mind just as long as they get back up. If they dont try to get back up and suddenly atk you when they are down there, that is definately cheating.

yes if they dont get back up and attack the attackers unfair but the question is bassically wall canceling and shooting illegal... even w/o falling vote =]

[JadeFox]

Eh... I've never been too fond of Attack and Defend games.

[DertyBomb]

It's not fair since the definding tem is meant to stay in their area. Wall canceling on the walls is going out of that area, which ends at the ledge.

[»NlNJA«]

I'm kind of both ways on this one. It depends on the situation.

If the attack team is activily attacking (ie not camping around corners where defense cannot go) then no, they should not be able to this.

But if the attack team seems to be trying to play defense. Then yes. Or if they're floor rocketing.

However, if the player falls when doing this, they should not return fire and should climb back up as quickly as possible. They're a free kill of the attacking team can catch them fast enough.

thats what i mean =]

[»NlNJA«]

Eh... I've never been too fond of Attack and Defend games.
Then dont post
It's not fair since the definding tem is meant to stay in their area. Wall canceling on the walls is going out of that area, which ends at the ledge.

Ouch i got owned by a gunz factor uber moderater?

[»NlNJA«]

Oh geeze 3:3
D:

[nugetsnfries]

I rarely do wall cancel though, I don't trust ma skills enough yet :P

[»NlNJA«]

i fall here in there but my risk as long as i dont hurt anyone its pretty much a free kill for them since i have to climb the wall they just spam some shotties at the wall free kill.. their win eh?

[ForteGSX]

Rules straight from the creators on JGunz:

Wall cancelling is against the rules

Rocket Launchers and Grenades are against the rules as well

and

The defending team CANNOT leave the base for whatever reason, this means no countdowns, no ammo, and no "accidents"

Then again, this game was deformed due to many people on IGunz not following the rules correctly.

[Wyrmy]

I think wall cancelling and shooting while on defense is fair. Unless you touch the ground. Once you touch the ground I think you should get back up and in your base before you can start shooting again. I hate the people who go down and RS you while you're medding or something and then you're down to red. Then they go back up and they say they fell. If you "fall" you don't shoot. You get back up. I also think that if a person falls, the attackers may shoot at him as long as they don't try to keep him on the ground. It's their fault they fell. But if the attacker say... dagger spams them, it may be hard to get up unless they attack the person whos dagger spamming back. Then they're accused of cheating. So, yes, it is fair.

[Ugotowned_O]

u have to DEFEND ur base, how can u DEFEND it if u arent in it? :doh:

[Esprite]

It's not fair since the definding tem is meant to stay in their area. Wall canceling on the walls is going out of that area, which ends at the ledge.

Exactly what I was gonna say @_@

[»NlNJA«]

Rules straight from the creators on JGunz:

Wall cancelling is against the rules

Rocket Launchers and Grenades are against the rules as well

and

The defending team CANNOT leave the base for whatever reason, this means no countdowns, no ammo, and no "accidents"

Then again, this game was deformed due to many people on IGunz not following the rules correctly.
one can kinda see two cant see saying most people use these three no countdown? what if they camp and unlimited time?
I think wall cancelling and shooting while on defense is fair. Unless you touch the ground. Once you touch the ground I think you should get back up and in your base before you can start shooting again. I hate the people who go down and RS you while you're medding or something and then you're down to red. Then they go back up and they say they fell. If you "fall" you don't shoot. You get back up. I also think that if a person falls, the attackers may shoot at him as long as they don't try to keep him on the ground. It's their fault they fell. But if the attacker say... dagger spams them, it may be hard to get up unless they attack the person whos dagger spamming back. Then they're accused of cheating. So, yes, it is fair.
THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING =] kudos to u
u have to DEFEND ur base, how can u DEFEND it if u arent in it? :doh:

cuz other people are int he base besides u

[»NlNJA«]

Exactly what I was gonna say @_@

double pwned... by espy.. pro la?

[»NlNJA«]

amazing its 50 50 4:4

[»NlNJA«]

4:5 ... post ur explanation?

[Stitches]

i believe that you can't cross the ledge. because if you do the wall cancel you could fall, and just play it off with an " oops" and while your down there shot at someone. I'm sry to say but that's just cheating. your not defending if you leave.

[»NlNJA«]

i believe that you can't cross the ledge. because if you do the wall cancel you could fall, and just play it off with an " oops" and while your down there shot at someone. I'm sry to say but that's just cheating. your not defending if you leave.

yes but.. what im saying is if u wall cancel and fall then your not allowed to shoot someone u go back up but they may shoot at u.. thats legal tho right? and how about theres still people dfeending and u just wall canceling over the walls

[sportzrok13]

I say that it is fair that if you wall cancel it is fair if you shoot at them. It is their fault for hiding in that obvious spot. But if you fall, you should be a free kill if you do it on purpose unless you go back up as quick as possible. If you hit them before you fall i say its legal. If you get up and slash them accedently by getting up I say its good.
Off-topic: Hi »NlNJA«. You suck! :)

[»NlNJA«]

^^^^^^^^^ brother... lol

5:5 again 50 50

[»NlNJA«]

6:5 yay.. please give reason one who on mys ide

[GunPriest]

Attack and Defend, Is of course attack and Defend There are boundaries Then dont pass them. Simple as that.

[Ugotowned_O]

so you are saying that walking on walls, wall canceling r all legal as long as u dont touch the ground, so i can get off my base chase some1 around as long as i dont fall

i bet i can get to the enemy base without touching the ground, i could hide forever. :king:

[»NlNJA«]

u cant pass the ledge on their side tho so u can just wall cancel thourght the whole map .... only that middle part of defedinging..

[Stitches]

yes but.. what im saying is if u wall cancel and fall then your not allowed to shoot someone u go back up but they may shoot at u.. thats legal tho right? and how about theres still people dfeending and u just wall canceling over the walls

hmmm good point. when people hide down there i just throw a nade straight down and they get hit by it. also the reason i said that other thing before is, that lately i've been seeing people wall cancel to the other ledge then wall cancel back.
wall canceling is fine but don't go past the door to the celler (aka basement)

[»NlNJA«]

oh yay 7:5 good lead =]

[»NlNJA«]

hmmm good point. when people hide down there i just throw a nade straight down and they get hit by it. also the reason i said that other thing before is, that lately i've been seeing people wall cancel to the other ledge then wall cancel back.
wall canceling is fine but don't go past the door to the celler (aka basement)

exactly 10 chars

[Blood_Queen]

love Attack and Defend

[»NlNJA«]

8:6 need ur opinions dont just vote

love Attack and Defend
and ur opinion?

[Stitches]

Also i had some one cheat. running out of the base to attack me in the main hall area, you know, the statue area, anyways as the cheater was running back to his base, his team mates started counting down. what is up with that. I can't attack their base and stop the guy shotting me in the back at the same time.. arg some times i want Friendly fire on, so i can kill off the cheaters on my team..

[»NlNJA«]

^^^AMEN AMEN AND AMEN
i wish people who have hackers laggers and cheaters on their team would press y to the vote >>

[»NlNJA«]

116 review 31 replys.. and it used to be someting like 17 reviews 16 replys etc.. and now it just jumped up.. opinions please =]

[Lamentingsun]

ehhh.....wall posting takes skill....cheating is, in my definition, when you touch ground and start shooting....while wall post is basically still defending, youre just in the air....

[»NlNJA«]

ehhh.....wall posting takes skill....cheating is, in my definition, when you touch ground and start shooting....while wall post is basically still defending, youre just in the air....

good explanation =] did you vote?

ps thanks for keeping this alive =]

Edit: yes u did sry u posted then voted =]
good lead 9:6

[Ian H.]

I love Atk&Def, but the BS I'm really tired of is the "defense can go past the ledge as long as they don't touch the ground". That was never in jGunz where this "mode" first appeared and I think that's how the rules should be.

[»NlNJA«]

so negative on my part... why do u think its annoying to go past the ledge w/o touching the ground going past the other ledge

[Lamentingsun]

yea but if the dood falls, you can shoot his lights out!...it wouldnt be very nice but still....common courtesy, let them get back up. dun start butterflying them....

[nugetsnfries]

If you wall cancel and fall then don't expect mercy from other team. But I think if the other team is high lvled enough and they see that it was an accident (not wall cancel induced) then I think they would give you the courtesy of getting back up.

[Ian H.]

so negative on my part... why do u think its annoying to go past the ledge w/o touching the ground going past the other ledge

This is because the defense is supposed to defend their room, not attack the attacking team. It's like in America's Army where you're not supposed to go past a certain tower on Bridge Crossing.

[»NlNJA«]

yea but if the dood falls, you can shoot his lights out!...it wouldnt be very nice but still....common courtesy, let them get back up. dun start butterflying them....
yes shoot the hell at them.. if i fell ill give u every right to shoot at me..bfly me if i fall go ahead im nto aloowed to shoot at u and yes i may attempt to get up.. w/o harming anyone.. and hhopefully i can make it back otherwise my turn to attack
If you wall cancel and fall then don't expect mercy from other team. But I think if the other team is high lvled enough and they see that it was an accident (not wall cancel induced) then I think they would give you the courtesy of getting back up.
yup. courtesty i guess for those that can be nice..
This is because the defense is supposed to defend their room, not attack the attacking team. It's like in America's Army where you're not supposed to go past a certain tower on Bridge Crossing.
yes but how about this have 1 person still defending and like people in a war may take a bold step go lil ahead of eachother and attack a lil w/o going toooo far

[best_ninja]

come on guys. we all know falling off by accident is a common occurance. as long as they don't shoot after falling and don't hit anyone on the way back up i could care less. Know if they continually fall over and over then /kick but other than that its not big deal.

[»NlNJA«]

^^ amen 10chars

[sportzrok13]

come on guys. we all know falling off by accident is a common occurance. as long as they don't shoot after falling and don't hit anyone on the way back up i could care less. Know if they continually fall over and over then /kick but other than that its not big deal.

I agree with you.

[Xzero]

Obviously someone hasn't played jGunZ, where Attack and Defend came from. The original rules were that you had to stay on the ground of the base, you weren't allowed to go off. It still is, but people are like, "omg u nevr plyed igunz b4 so this is new rule".

When you are defending, you stay in your base. Is the wall part of the base? Didn't think so. If people think that wallclimbing and staying off the main ground isn't cheating, then I could go around the whole map like that. Sometimes people even jump off and grab ammos then come back and shoot the people in the back, when they were waiting for whoever jumped out and cheated. What I think? No matter what the situation, you should never be climbing the walls to get past the ledge.

Another thing that I noticed was that people were counting down because they are not patient enough to wait for the one and only player left to get ammo and come back. Counting down was never part of the rules, and should never be. Attack and defend is based on teamwork and strategy, which means as long as you are following the rules, you should be able to do whatever you can. Be it bouncing off the walls and shooting the idiots that just stand there and get killed, or using as many rockets as you want. If you're not a **************************** who stands at the ledge waiting for them, then eventually they will come out and you can kill them.

Rockets, why are people always complaining about them? MAIET put them in the game for a reason. Like I said, Attack and defend is all about the strategy, not just rushing. When people are using rockets, leave them be. They just can't be smart enough to know where people will likely fire rockets at. If you think they are unbalanced, then you can get rockets too if you want.

That's what I think about Attack and Defend, others could be more lenient or tolerant about these rules, but if everyone was changing rules to everything, what would be the point in having them in the first place?

[»NlNJA«]

Obviously someone hasn't played jGunZ, where Attack and Defend came from. The original rules were that you had to stay on the ground of the base, you weren't allowed to go off. It still is, but people are like, "omg u nevr plyed igunz b4 so this is new rule".

When you are defending, you stay in your base. Is the wall part of the base? Didn't think so. If people think that wallclimbing and staying off the main ground isn't cheating, then I could go around the whole map like that. Sometimes people even jump off and grab ammos then come back and shoot the people in the back, when they were waiting for whoever jumped out and cheated. What I think? No matter what the situation, you should never be climbing the walls to get past the ledge.

Another thing that I noticed was that people were counting down because they are not patient enough to wait for the one and only player left to get ammo and come back. Counting down was never part of the rules, and should never be. Attack and defend is based on teamwork and strategy, which means as long as you are following the rules, you should be able to do whatever you can. Be it bouncing off the walls and shooting the idiots that just stand there and get killed, or using as many rockets as you want. If you're not a **************************** who stands at the ledge waiting for them, then eventually they will come out and you can kill them.

Rockets, why are people always complaining about them? MAIET put them in the game for a reason. Like I said, Attack and defend is all about the strategy, not just rushing. When people are using rockets, leave them be. They just can't be smart enough to know where people will likely fire rockets at. If you think they are unbalanced, then you can get rockets too if you want.

That's what I think about Attack and Defend, others could be more lenient or tolerant about these rules, but if everyone was changing rules to everything, what would be the point in having them in the first place?

You have alot to say.. anyways.. people are saying those jgunz rules along with no nades no rls etc.. im lost.. is there actually a thing on atk and def.. really is there. and if u make a game like Attack and Defend by »NlNJA« may i make the rules for my game and they must follow.. if they dont like it.. leave and jonia nother attack and dfend?

[Xzero]

You have alot to say.. anyways.. people are saying those jgunz rules along with no nades no rls etc.. im lost.. is there actually a thing on atk and def.. really is there. and if u make a game like Attack and Defend by »NlNJA« may i make the rules for my game and they must follow.. if they dont like it.. leave and jonia nother attack and dfend?

I guess you didn't read it all.. :(

[Yugothewolf]

are u the same 12 year old kid i got in to an arguement wirth on gunz at like 4:00am in the morning

[»NlNJA«]

Yes i am baptist =] and ur off topic yugo.. and xzero.. uhm what did i miss o.o

[Xzero]

Rockets, why are people always complaining about them? MAIET put them in the game for a reason. Like I said, Attack and defend is all about the strategy, not just rushing. When people are using rockets, leave them be. They just can't be smart enough to know where people will likely fire rockets at. If you think they are unbalanced, then you can get rockets too if you want.

Never heard of jGunz having no rockets or no nades. Then again, I haven't been on jGunz for over 2 years (:

[Sonichedgh0g]

Well my interpretation is this, if you fall to the ground, then you fail and should just die. If you can't do it then don't try. But um...if you accidently fall (which really shouldn't be possible unless you intended on crossing the line) then I guess you should be allowed to go back up. Unfortunatly, its not easy to tell whether it was accidental or not. But Wall canceling should be fine but use at your own risk, if you fall you die.

I agree completely

[TSirDiesAlot]

No, its not fair. If you need a quick way to hide the first place that you'll probably go first is under there. If you pass the ledge which is like the border for your attack and defence line then that should be considered cheating. You aren't sopost to be offensive you're sopost to be defending you're base. If you can't wait for the attackers to come, simply give them a countdown warning from 10. If they keep running back just give one last 5 second warning and pass it. (If there is like 1 or 2 people.

[Breath]

Obviously someone hasn't played jGunZ, where Attack and Defend came from. The original rules were that you had to stay on the ground of the base, you weren't allowed to go off. It still is, but people are like, "omg u nevr plyed igunz b4 so this is new rule".

When you are defending, you stay in your base. Is the wall part of the base? Didn't think so. If people think that wallclimbing and staying off the main ground isn't cheating, then I could go around the whole map like that. Sometimes people even jump off and grab ammos then come back and shoot the people in the back, when they were waiting for whoever jumped out and cheated. What I think? No matter what the situation, you should never be climbing the walls to get past the ledge.

Another thing that I noticed was that people were counting down because they are not patient enough to wait for the one and only player left to get ammo and come back. Counting down was never part of the rules, and should never be. Attack and defend is based on teamwork and strategy, which means as long as you are following the rules, you should be able to do whatever you can. Be it bouncing off the walls and shooting the idiots that just stand there and get killed, or using as many rockets as you want. If you're not a **************************** who stands at the ledge waiting for them, then eventually they will come out and you can kill them.

Rockets, why are people always complaining about them? MAIET put them in the game for a reason. Like I said, Attack and defend is all about the strategy, not just rushing. When people are using rockets, leave them be. They just can't be smart enough to know where people will likely fire rockets at. If you think they are unbalanced, then you can get rockets too if you want.

That's what I think about Attack and Defend, others could be more lenient or tolerant about these rules, but if everyone was changing rules to everything, what would be the point in having them in the first place?

What you say is true and for the person who started this post and ppl voting yes please go die because you do not know the true Att and def if your going out of your base meaning on the walls or so then well guess what your not really defending are ya now GG you phail dude so do the ppl voting yes now just close topic before more idiots start to post stupid things saying o yes its fair and stuff cause you must be stupid to not know the meaning of attack & defend meaning 1 Attacks and 1 defends its not 1 attacks needs to reload or so or plan somethin real quick then the 1 defend goes out and shoot him and says OMG IM NOT CHEATING THATS FAIRZ cause its really quite annoying and possibly very ignorant Dx...

[StarSkyll]

It's not fair since the defending them is meant to stay in their area. Wall canceling on the walls is going out of that area, which ends at the ledge.

[Second]

Personally I think that wall shots are fine as long as you don't shoot on the ground. I mean people only complain when they get hurt from hiding under the thing. Here's an idea for them: Go to a different spot where you can't get shot.

[Yuanchun]

ya same i think wall shots are not hat unfair in gunz. gunz is all about tatic and skills

[Mauser]

They just should make a new game options Attack and Defend.

The space below is used to reload/heal, I dont think should hit there.
I geuss to prevent this from happening, go further arround the corner. But running this far will make attacker able to shoot you, tho you can shoot back.

If Attack Defend options is made, players shouldnt be able to get over the edge. And it should have a standard time limit to break the edge barrier and where you can get over it.

[shadow00083]

everyone yells at me cuz i accidnetly fall CHEATER CHEATER cuz someone spams a rocket behind me and bam fell =[

lol i get shoved down often, by shotgunz or rockets loads of stuff even grenades and ppl just call me a cheater!:xd:

[»NlNJA«]

What you say is true and for the person who started this post and ppl voting yes please go die because you do not know the true Att and def if your going out of your base meaning on the walls or so then well guess what your not really defending are ya now GG you phail dude so do the ppl voting yes now just close topic before more idiots start to post stupid things saying o yes its fair and stuff cause you must be stupid to not know the meaning of attack & defend meaning 1 Attacks and 1 defends its not 1 attacks needs to reload or so or plan somethin real quick then the 1 defend goes out and shoot him and says OMG IM NOT CHEATING THATS FAIRZ cause its really quite annoying and possibly very ignorant Dx...
^^ dont flame about me and my topic too much.. cuz i really do personally think its fair.. and when i play games like that people thinks its fair.. while few think its not.. and na gunz is NOT j gunz.. .. ooo i got an idea for u in attack and defend games make a title that says attack and defend j gunz rules while i stick to my attack and defend made by »NlNJA« so people follow ninjas rules.. aka me
Personally I think that wall shots are fine as long as you don't shoot on the ground. I mean people only complain when they get hurt from hiding under the thing. Here's an idea for them: Go to a different spot where you can't get shot.
as long as u dont shoot at the ground.. a lil pointless at times but kind of a good idea.. ish and yes Go to a different spot where u cant get shot... i mean really go to the basement or around the corner its a dash or two come on
ya same i think wall shots are not hat unfair in gunz. gunz is all about tatic and skills
amen
They just should make a new game options Attack and Defend.

The space below is used to reload/heal, I dont think should hit there.
I geuss to prevent this from happening, go further arround the corner. But running this far will make attacker able to shoot you, tho you can shoot back.

If Attack Defend options is made, players shouldnt be able to get over the edge. And it should have a standard time limit to break the edge barrier and where you can get over it.
look in the new modes thread made by my brother.. put this in there along witht he attack and defend stuff =] love ur idea on the way it would be set up... and yes just go around the corner or through the basement.. AGAIN ITS JUST A DASH OR 2
lol i get shoved down often, by shotgunz or rockets loads of stuff even grenades and ppl just call me a cheater!:xd:

ya.. it sucks but i guess my fault standing in front of those meanes :xd:

[HeavenlyFlow]

I think as long as you don't fall it should be legal.

I remember some guy wall canceled to the third floor for ammo then back, haha.

[w00fy]

Well i think u should be able to. But its not really fair when u fall and they just go :BANG: then ur dead

[FluffyWolf2]

Yes fair, can I do it? Still learning :P

Besides it's easy to hit someone that does it >.> and it's even easier to spray them down.

[Blazyn]

I guess it depends on the person who created the game. If he/she allows it then its allowed. If not then no.

[HyphyJuice]

It depends on the situation.

If the attack team is activily attacking (ie not camping around corners where defense cannot go) then no, they should not be able to this.

But if the attack team seems to be trying to play defense. Then yes. Or if they're floor rocketing.

However, if the player falls when doing this, they should not return fire and should climb back up as quickly as possible. They're a free kill of the attacking team can catch them fast enough.

yer. thats how I feel about it, but usually when people fall down they use the opporturnity and fire couple shots while climbing back

[Verdact]

I've played the way I've always known..

If you leave your side even if it is just wall canceling you are cheating..

This was a rule over in international gunz but here in ijji people don't follow rules very well... proof of that is all the hackers..



So yes, I believe that if you leave your side you are cheating.

[Desu]

i do it all the time for easy kills

[Devile]

well ..it's fair and nice cuz ppl keep camping ^^

[Ptonjalken]

Why not? Just launch a rocket at em. :P

[»NlNJA«]

I think as long as you don't fall it should be legal.

I remember some guy wall canceled to the third floor for ammo then back, haha.
that shouldnt be legal.. wall canceling for ammo no.. u may not wall cancel after that other side of the ledge.. saying theres like an invisible wall right there
Well i think u should be able to. But its not really fair when u fall and they just go :BANG: then ur dead
thats not reallly wahat im saying.. if u do fall no shooting by the faller.. they may shoot at faller tho
I guess it depends on the person who created the game. If he/she allows it then its allowed. If not then no.

find that person for me =]

[»NlNJA«]

24:15 .. most people think its legal.. as long as if u fall u dont shoot at them..u climb up and u accept the shots by them... u may not wall cancel past the other ledge.. also saying u may not go and retrive others...
most of the epople that think its illegal are people whoved played in j gunz and follow by those rulse ... i guess i have a suggustion for u people.. make attack and defend games taht go attack and defend. jgunz rules.. would help u guys hating the 'cheaters' aka wall cancelers =]

[LooongCat]

Wallcancel is totaly cool with me if there is some lamers shootiung rocket under floor or someone wallcanceling up then quickly SS'ing and falling down agains or around corner runners it is more than welcome.

[your mom :D]

no i think its not fair because any noob with a little bit of skills can get an easy kill from wall canceling :D

[»NlNJA«]

no i think its not fair because any noob with a little bit of skills can get an easy kill from wall canceling :D

then people should be smart enof to go to the basement or around the corner

[Nayruu]

i never really liked att/def. no one ever obeys the rules :[

[Athomus]

Everyone is too much of a tightass about D/A.

But the tight-asses usually camp like a ******************** too.

Its really not even fun after a while.

[Xzero]

As a veteran of Attack and Defend, I say wall cancel is not fair. Hiding under the ledge is a smart and quick way to heal or reload. If you took the extra time to go around the corner, you could get shot and in turn, die. (If you were at red health)

[Yugothewolf]

Yes i am baptist =] and ur off topic yugo.. and xzero.. uhm what did i miss o.o

well sry dude i just had to ask but yea um let me read the topic again

edit
yea its unfair

[sportzrok13]

I got a question....
What person is the one who created Attack and Defend?

[»NlNJA«]

i never really liked att/def. no one ever obeys the rules :[
what are the rules to u then... illegal or legal
Everyone is too much of a tightass about D/A.

But the tight-asses usually camp like a ******************** too.

Its really not even fun after a while.
countown ftw
As a veteran of Attack and Defend, I say wall cancel is not fair. Hiding under the ledge is a smart and quick way to heal or reload. If you took the extra time to go around the corner, you could get shot and in turn, die. (If you were at red health)
well same thing i could just throw a nade down there ud still get hit.. cept more damage most likely
well sry dude i just had to ask but yea um let me read the topic again

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yea its unfair
why unfair just becuz u hate me and want to go agaisnt what i believe
I got a question....
What person is the one who created Attack and Defend?

idk homo brother =]

[Terranwolf]

In the original rules (started from japan GUNZ), users are not able to go past the ledge that leads to their base. Whatsoever.

Derty, you and I should make a replay explaining rules. :)

[»NlNJA«]

i was alrady thinking bout making rules on atk and defend just clearifing this.. i think i know what to say.. anyways terran those are jgunz rules .... whats ur op[inon.. just follow jgunz?

[Xzero]

countown ftw

Like I said in my earlier post, counting down was never part of the rules of attack and defend. Maybe they need some time to plan out what he/she is going to do. It never was, and never should.

well same thing i could just throw a nade down there ud still get hit.. cept more damage most likely

If I was hiding down under the ledge, I would not get hit by a nade unless I jumped into it or you cheated by wall canceling to throw it in there. Don't believe me? Test it.

why unfair just becuz u hate me and want to go agaisnt what i believe

Or.. He thinks it's unfair because he knows that the original rules did not allow you to go past the ledge. Whoever needs to go past the ledge to kill someone, then either they need to learn the rules, learn to be patient or get some skills.

[FreshMike]

Yes, I find it very fair.

However, don't do it if you're going to accidentally "fall" hahaha..
It's sad.

I know, everyone makes mistakes, but you know, that's just going to be your fault if you fall and get teamed and shot at.

So, conclusion:

If you can't wall cancel well enough, don't bother
If you're attacking, don't hide under the ledge! Go in basement or something to reload or heal, duh.

[sportzrok13]

Like I said in my earlier post, counting down was never part of the rules of attack and defend. Maybe they need some time to plan out what he/she is going to do. It never was, and never should.

Who said this is J-Gunz this is IJJI-Gunz. :doh:

[Xzero]

Attack and Defend was derived from jGunz, which means it should come in a bundled package with all the set rules.

No one should be changing them for whatever reason, then what would be the point in having them?

[FreshMike]

What's so hard for the attacking team to just not reload/heal under the ledge?! Go behind wall or in stairs to basement. Done deal?

[Xzero]

Hiding under the ledge is a smart and quick way to heal or reload. If you took the extra time to go around the corner, you could get shot and in turn, die. (If you were at red health)

Read above posts? D:

[»NlNJA«]

oh heres a long one
Like I said in my earlier post, counting down was never part of the rules of attack and defend. Maybe they need some time to plan out what he/she is going to do. It never was, and never should.

what if they were afk what then

If I was hiding down under the ledge, I would not get hit by a nade unless I jumped into it or you cheated by wall canceling to throw it in there. Don't believe me? Test it.

ive done it b4

Or.. He thinks it's unfair because he knows that the original rules did not allow you to go past the ledge. Whoever needs to go past the ledge to kill someone, then either they need to learn the rules, learn to be patient or get some skills.
no i met him in a game and he hates me.. get patient.. im patient.. get skills.. i got skills>> dont tell me to be patient or get skills if u dont even know me for all u know i can beat u in 1v1 or u can who knows dont talk negatve to someone u havent really gotten to know
Yes, I find it very fair.

However, don't do it if you're going to accidentally "fall" hahaha..
It's sad.

I know, everyone makes mistakes, but you know, that's just going to be your fault if you fall and get teamed and shot at.

So, conclusion:

If you can't wall cancel well enough, don't bother
If you're attacking, don't hide under the ledge! Go in basement or something to reload or heal, duh.

^^^^amen
Who said this is J-Gunz this is IJJI-Gunz. :doh:
^^ NA gunz not ijji gunz =]
Attack and Defend was derived from jGunz, which means it should come in a bundled package with all the set rules.

No one should be changing them for whatever reason, then what would be the point in having them?
changing rules wouldnt be bad.. i mean thinking about it imagine everything EVERYTHING if no rules have been changed
What's so hard for the attacking team to just not reload/heal under the ledge?! Go behind wall or in stairs to basement. Done deal?

yes read above posts but i still agree with u

[Xzero]

what if they were afk what then

If they were AFK, the teammates would tell them, then you would be allowed to cross over and end the round. Either that, or kick the AFK guy/girl/

ive done it b4

If you've thrown a nade down and it said "Hit", either they jumped out or was not by the wall. If you hit me with a nade while I'm down there, then I will stop arguing with you. I'm 99% certain you can't do it.

no i met him in a game and he hates me.. get patient.. im patient.. get skills.. i got skills>> dont tell me to be patient or get skills if u dont even know me for all u know i can beat u in 1v1 or u can who knows dont talk negatve to someone u havent really gotten to know

I wasn't directing my comment at anyone in particular. (But you probably can't beat me in 1v1 :) ) I was just saying that if you countdown, or wall cancel just to kill someone, then that's probably one of your traits.

[»NlNJA«]

If they were AFK, the teammates would tell them, then you would be allowed to cross over and end the round. Either that, or kick the AFK guy/girl/


what if they are the only one there =] what if u dont know if they are afk or not.. dum dum dum...
If you've thrown a nade down and it said "Hit", either they jumped out or was not by the wall. If you hit me with a nade while I'm down there, then I will stop arguing with you. I'm 99% certain you can't do it.


lemme see if i can do it again =]
I wasn't directing my comment at anyone in particular. (But you probably can't beat me in 1v1 :) ) I was just saying that if you countdown, or wall cancel just to kill someone, then that's probably one of your traits.

i agree with the 1v1 thing =p ,, i wall cancel and stuff becuz i personally think its fair

[Duke_Nukem]

There should be an official attack and defend in which you either cannot pass a barrier or when you touch the ground you die.

[»NlNJA«]

There should be an official attack and defend in which you either cannot pass a barrier or when you touch the ground you die.

Ive thought about it too.. but making wall cancel legal.. thers like an invisble wall infront of the opposite ledge of the defending team.. they can not pass.. yet attackers can.... they can close up the basement for the defenders and leave it open for the attackers.. then.. if someone falls their gun auto matically cant be shot...it would all of a sudden turn empty.. and once u touch the floor of ur base its back... idk how ijji would do this..but its in my opinoin a good idea =]

[FreshMike]

That idea would actually work well, then you wouldn't have to argue anymore about cheaters, ha. No more worrying about having to kick the cheaters out! Yay.

[nikobreakz]

I vote no it's not fair cause I agree with the ledge being the line. If the ledge wasn't the line then whats to stop someone from wall cancelling all the way to to attackers spawn point?!?!?!?! I bet anyone that is good enough to wall cancel can make it from one end to the other without touching the ground. On purpose or accidentlly

[FreshMike]

I vote no it's not fair cause I agree with the ledge being the line. If the ledge wasn't the line then whats to stop someone from wall cancelling all the way to to attackers spawn point?!?!?!?! I bet anyone that is good enough to wall cancel can make it from one end to the other without touching the ground. On purpose or accidentlly

Well of course, it's just common sense not to leave that far from your base.

[DarkKilla]

this is a very close poll

[eskuAdradit0]

You aint supposed to go more far than the line where your 'base' ends.Neither jumping or walking or dashing or anything.Its cheating.
You guyz make this kind of games boring.

[»NlNJA«]

That idea would actually work well, then you wouldn't have to argue anymore about cheaters, ha. No more worrying about having to kick the cheaters out! Yay.
thanks =]
I vote no it's not fair cause I agree with the ledge being the line. If the ledge wasn't the line then whats to stop someone from wall cancelling all the way to to attackers spawn point?!?!?!?! I bet anyone that is good enough to wall cancel can make it from one end to the other without touching the ground. On purpose or accidentlly
HEY READ B4 POSTS I ALREADY MENTIONED U MAY NOT GO PAST THE OTHER LEDGE WALL CANCELING.. THAT WOULD BE 100% ILLEGAL
this is a very close poll
wasnt b4 =]
You aint supposed to go more far than the line where your 'base' ends.Neither jumping or walking or dashing or anything.Its cheating.
You guyz make this kind of games boring.

boring? then make a game called attack and defend j gunz rules


sry me mad ish =]

[§layer_Girl]

My opinion is that if they fall on the ground they can't shoot you, but if they are on the wall I think it's legal for them to do that and shoot you.

[»NlNJA«]

^^^^ yup 10 chars

[theshadez]

lol if you fall down while wall canceling = then don't

I don't mind if other people do it, just as long as they don't "fall down" and "accidentally" shoot you when ur like reloading or healing

[Fujjin]

Mhh I'm not sure about this. I think it's good place to reload and get heal, but getting pwned by flying dude.. D: I'm flying dude too sometimes D:

[come2daddy]

it's best to do it when someone is camping and using rockets and such

[HeavenlyFlow]

Well if you play atk n def games as much as me, which is all the time, then you will definately get sick of CAMPERS.

So I wall cancel to kill them, sometimes cheat if I have to. ;]

[Alice]

You can wall cancel and shoot too...dont you? :)

[»NlNJA«]

lol if you fall down while wall canceling = then don't

I don't mind if other people do it, just as long as they don't "fall down" and "accidentally" shoot you when ur like reloading or healing
mhm
Mhh I'm not sure about this. I think it's good place to reload and get heal, but getting pwned by flying dude.. D: I'm flying dude too sometimes D:
yup
it's best to do it when someone is camping and using rockets and such
yuppp
Well if you play atk n def games as much as me, which is all the time, then you will definately get sick of CAMPERS.

So I wall cancel to kill them, sometimes cheat if I have to. ;]
dun cheat =p only wall cancel =]
You can wall cancel and shoot too...dont you? :)

me yes

[HeavenlyFlow]

Well if they do it repeatedly like... Hit and runs for about 5 mins or something.

"Im done Im coming"

[»NlNJA«]

^^^ dun come out.. either do the wall cancel if they are under there or countdown

[HeavenlyFlow]

No no, they ones where you count, they come and hide.

Repeat.

[DentinDaHero]

there is no such game as attack and defend! honestly people just cause someone tells you to defend doesn't mean you should actually do it! attack and defend is worse than opening up a normal DM and saying swords only!

[BabyPiggy]

ur aloud to get shot once ur on the ground... but u cant shoot bak caz its ur own fault. and just to let u noe. its called "Wall Posting" not wall canceling... wall cancel is when u climb up a wasll by slashes
and i started making attack n defend just to let u noe... bak in igunz

[Nayruu]

only rule in att/def is that the defending team cant pass the ledge at their base

[Terranwolf]

i was alrady thinking bout making rules on atk and defend just clearifing this.. i think i know what to say.. anyways terran those are jgunz rules .... whats ur op[inon.. just follow jgunz?

Considering that it came from JGUNZ, I think it best to stick to the rules created by its origin.

[Xzero]

Considering that it came from JGUNZ, I think it best to stick to the rules created by its origin.

Exactly what I think. If you played jGunz, you would know what I feel :)

[Terranwolf]

Exactly what I think. If you played jGunz, you would know what I feel :)

I used to play jGUNZ. ^_^'

[eskuAdradit0]

So did I.And people called me cheater for wall slashing,wall cancelling.And kicked me.

[Terranwolf]

Also, guys-
It doesn't make it right to "cheat back" if you see/hear that someone's cheating.

[eskuAdradit0]

^AMEN TO THAT !!!

i ****ing love you now.

[Xzero]

So did I.And people called me cheater for wall slashing,wall cancelling.And kicked me.

Because in the original set of rules, that was considered cheating.

[Vash]

Also, guys-
It doesn't make it right to "cheat back" if you see/hear that someone's cheating.

I agree 110% percent. I hate when that happens and sooner or later you see the whole match into a regular tdm

[»NlNJA«]

there is no such game as attack and defend! honestly people just cause someone tells you to defend doesn't mean you should actually do it! attack and defend is worse than opening up a normal DM and saying swords only!
... what ever u say...
ur aloud to get shot once ur on the ground... but u cant shoot bak caz its ur own fault. and just to let u noe. its called "Wall Posting" not wall canceling... wall cancel is when u climb up a wasll by slashes
and i started making attack n defend just to let u noe... bak in igunz
^^agree... and wall posting.. got it
Considering that it came from JGUNZ, I think it best to stick to the rules created by its origin.
thats what everyone says >>.. oh well ill just keep getting owned by gunzfactor admins =]
Exactly what I think. If you played jGunz, you would know what I feel :)
^^ shouldnt you be playing one gunz instaead of going from jgunz to na gunz.. i mean japan is far from northamerica >> u mustve laged in either one or both
So did I.And people called me cheater for wall slashing,wall cancelling.And kicked me.
so ur saying its fair?
Also, guys-
It doesn't make it right to "cheat back" if you see/hear that someone's cheating.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that noob did it once i declared wall canceling fair for that game becaese.. well i made it.. my rules right? so i wall canceled owned him.. he goes cheats the next round goes behind me massive pbed and goes oh sry i fell.. and i was in the middle>>

[StarSkyll]

^AMEN TO THAT !!!

i ****ing love you now.

They didn't censor the f word? Sweet lol.

[Azian]

This is how i do it :
While defending u are aloud to Wallslash on the wall and shoot under the ledge... they will call u a cheater or a noob usaly, and its there fault for being dumb and knowing some people can wallslash and hit u under the ledge.. if u fall.. u are aloud to shoot him.. if he tries to get back up its Oh'right but if u cant do it dont do it.
if u fall and decided to start attacking this is considerd cheating!
u are not aloud to wallslash over there ledge only or that is considerd cheating aswell.
dont kno about u guys but thats waht i do

[eskuAdradit0]

... what ever u say...


so ur saying its fair?



Im saying its not fair...Its just stupid how people try to change the rules.

[Xzero]

^^ shouldnt you be playing one gunz instaead of going from jgunz to na gunz.. i mean japan is far from northamerica >> u mustve laged in either one or both

Who said I was still playing jGunz? I guess you didn't full read all my posts..

I explained when iGunz had the big downtime for about 2 months, a lot of people went to jGunz. That's when we played the real and original Attack and Defend.

When iGunz was back up, I basically quit Gunz altogther and came back to NA-Gunz since a couple friends persuaded me to do so.

[»NlNJA«]

This is how i do it :
While defending u are aloud to Wallslash on the wall and shoot under the ledge... they will call u a cheater or a noob usaly, and its there fault for being dumb and knowing some people can wallslash and hit u under the ledge.. if u fall.. u are aloud to shoot him.. if he tries to get back up its Oh'right but if u cant do it dont do it.
if u fall and decided to start attacking this is considerd cheating!
u are not aloud to wallslash over there ledge only or that is considerd cheating aswell.
dont kno about u guys but thats waht i do
thats what i do
Who said I was still playing jGunz? I guess you didn't full read all my posts..

I explained when iGunz had the big downtime for about 2 months, a lot of people went to jGunz. That's when we played the real and original Attack and Defend.

When iGunz was back up, I basically quit Gunz altogther and came back to NA-Gunz since a couple friends persuaded me to do so.

ok sry o.o