The true D style advantages

[the_exiled]

ok the reason i made this thread is becuase i have seen many differences of opinion on the advatages/disatvatages of d style.
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BF/DBF agianst d styler:

ok some say that this is the downfall of the dagger but anyone that knows how to dagger machein can tell u the way to rape all those people who think they can bf d stylists to death. After learning this move Bfers wont even know what hit them simply beacase tehy wont be able to c it on their screen.

K stylers Block:

this is the other big one. alls one has to do is angel there stab dowbnwards or just quickly tap and move screen away to get away from the massive and get a free PB. I can not tell u how many times i have done this and the skill that i shown was not acknowleged. you get a "man i shouldnt have done that" when you should get the praise fopr being the supperior player.(K stylers will never admit that your skill beat them its jsut that they messed up)

Movement:

daggers have superior movement there is no doubt about that. another overlooked fact is that d stylers actually have a serious advantage becasue htey have so many different sparatic moves were k stylers are really predictable. My point, d style movement can be everchanging were no one sees the same movement style twice. also daggers move smoothly on walls wich may help or hurt you in a game

Weight:

not to big an advantace but still nice to have ( dagger users still have to take shirt off for dual rockets)

Flow:

the flow from move to move is important. if one can do a move faster in k style then they will probaly win(circumstancial SP) d style moves are about timeing and switching up moves constantly to through the opponent off. point is that d style doesnt really have a smooth flow becayse of the sparatic changes in movement wear k stylers have a rythem to it. the only real rythem a d styler has is when moving on walls

Skill:

obviously skill plays a huge role in the match. If poeple dont know how to counter a move using d style then they are at a serious disadvantage.

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this is my take on d style if u like this then rep me

[the_exiled]

wow jsut read this and found my attrocious spelling sorry in advance but im to lazy to change it

[TehFuzz]

Dude.
You are being stereotypical against K-Stylers.
Many K-Stylers aren't 'predictable'
Nor do they always 'blame it on their messing up'
I happen to think that this is racism!
Not nice.
But D-Style is good in the ways mentioned.
...Possibly +rep...

[rateoner]

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[the_exiled]

thanks but i never had a k styler say somehting like "o nice " when i pb them after their ill used massive. I am not saying that all are like this but many are

the second point about moves being predictable, well fight someone 5 times in a row one k style one d style. after the 2nd round you will know how the k styler moves, weather ss hs or rhs, dbf opposed to bf. its in a way predictable if you yourslef know anything about the style

[Mauser]

Beginners in K-style are predictably. Beginners/Pros in dstyle just sux, they easy to kill. They can't block thats a HUGE disadvantage. The damage of dagger is very low, so only use to hit with dagger is to cancel enemys movement.

You have to be a super expert in d-style, its a challange to learn I give you that. And when owning a pro kstyler with dstyle it can be really satisfying.

Tho I wont recommend dstyle over kstyle.

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If you think your a good d-styler, challange me in game (Mauser / Iyama) In a 1on1 town match convice me that dstyle is good.

[Atkafighter]

Dstyle is a refreshing break from Kstyling. I like the challenge of taking people down with the dagger. Sometimes I use dual single revolvers too (just to make it more fun, and leading practice).
It's also a slightly more reliable way to take out sprayers (you interrupt their shooting with stabs, and they usually dont jump out of lunges). Unless they lag, and you can't cancel/push them.
Man I hate that.

[The_Nonoy]

hmmm interesting..

[Djinn]

The biggest advantege of D style is people underestimate you when you have a dagger, so they try to rush you while you run and you can just get easy shots all day long that way, mainly with the people who try to bf you to death, some you can take with a dagger but with the good ones its best to just run and shoot.

[CrazyPeanut]

All i have to say is that the only D-styler that i can remember getting owned by is the one and only KickA$$Jack. All the other D-stylers are easy since there isnt much pro ones anymore.

[extro]

not meany pros anymore but like the more modern k stlyers the old d stylers were using the daggers better then the ones now just the diffrance was way bigger with d style

[Joey Man1]

D-Stylers are cool. While I do admire Kstylers, I think it is highly overrated. Far as I'm concerned, it is all too easy to kill a k-styler, with, well, no style. I mean, all you have to do is stay away from them and use something explosive. Rockets work well against kstyle, trust me. You cannot block them ^^

[Duke_Nukem]

K stylers will never admit that your skill beat them its jsut that they messed up

I must say, for the majority of K-Stylers, that is true.

ZOMG!!!!111shiftone n0ob spray3r!!11one 3ven though meh shotguns shoot all over teh place d0esnt mean ye can use aut0matic guns!!!11shiftone

I ♥ spraying! And I always get pwned by D-Stylers. You gotta learn how to jump before they shoot you.

P.S—You spelled just wrong.

[~AznX~]

Well.. i am a k-styler and i admit d-stylers do own me from time to time. I might even make a seperate Char. to D-style =D. Ty for the Thread =]

[HeavenlyFlow]

Well.. i am a k-styler and i admit d-stylers do own me from time to time. I might even make a seperate Char. to D-style =D. Ty for the Thread =]

Alot of people have different characters for different styles.

I'm glad to see the rise of d-styling.

[~AznX~]

Although the chars are the same i prefer using a girl. But which do u prefer when u d-style?

[extro]

Although the chars are the same i prefer using a girl. But which do u prefer when u d-style?

guys becaouse girls cant yoyo hop with a shotgun




and if someone calls you a noob sprayer because you shoot them with shotty in there face you just say " how am i the newb?? your the one to stupid to block "

[Bluephantomsniper]

Lol, that is true. Im a sprayer and I really dont "spray" with rifles I "stream" as I call it. MGs on other hand naturally spread, but I don't try to make them spread but im still a sprayer. Thats cool with me.:thumbsup:

[Canada]

I'm better at Kstyling, but I find Dstyle to be more fun.

And there's so many combinations that work well with dstyle, but maybe that's just because my aim seems to be a lot better when I'm Dstyling. (With kstyle, I only go shotty/shotty, shotty/rifle, shotty/rev mainly. But with Dstyle, i'll go shotty/shotty, shotty/rifle, shotty/rev, shotty/rocket, rocket/rev, rev/rev, rev/pistol, rev/rifle, etc...)

And I have the character name "Dagger", which is a bonus.

[Itachi-_]

Thats true when i pb them they always jus ignore it and maybe call u noob...god i h8 more noob d-stylers they need to practice practice to be good not just lunge and shoot on ground thats ************************ed...

[Miss21Bella]

Ooh nice thread. I enjoy D Style from time to time and I like to make D Style-only duel matches.
I do have some questions about D Style moves though. Two things that were mentioned in here so far are YoYo Hop and Dagger Machine. It would be nice if you two could tell the rest of us how to do these moves along with any others that you know. The only move i know is JSD (jab, stab, dash... jk) but I've heard it is possible to do instafall with a dagger. It would be even better if you could whisper to me and maybe show me a thing or two. The character name is Miss21Bella and I go to Quest Server 1. Thanks so much.

[HeavenlyFlow]

JSD is jump shoot dash; btw.

[Fyberous]

Butterfly has nothing on me...the sheer number of stabs to actually kill someone is my issue.

[JFoo]

All you posted were the advantages of D-style and the disadvantages of K. K-Style > D-Style anytime anywhere anyday.

Glitches ftw~

[Morpheus3353]

And thats one thing I don't like. D-style is considered noob by many people because the people of Gunz have made it that way. K-style and D-style are both completely respectable styles and just because one can lunge and many people don't like that. Most true d-stylers don't even use lunge unless it is a part of Dagger gattle or instafall (instafall for dagger is left click, right click 3/4 way through stab, its decently hard to time it). Also what most people don't realize is that d-style is a movement style not an attack style. Most of the only moves that you can hurt people with only with the dagger is dagger train, instafall, dagger gattle, and a few other advanced moves that I won't go into here. I use d-style all the time and have used it since Igunz and personally I believe that a pro d-styler can beat most k-stylers even though i respect all styles. Even so there aren't many pro d-stylers out there anymore. Look up FatherPrim's dagger guide on Gunzfactor if your looking for a good way to start off. Thats what i learned from.

Ps- No i'm not trying to promote another website here its just somewhere they can go to get started off.

[the_exiled]

hey thanks to all that posted and i liked to here your oppinions

bella im normaly on quest 1 and id be happoy to show u some of the more advanced d style moves but as of late i have the error log system problem and cant get on gunz

[kriminal99]

I mostly estyle, but especially when I am dealing with high ping bastards (150+ ping) I occasionally will run out of ammo before the enemy dies. In the hpb case this is usually after I have shot them 42 times in the face with revolvers and unloaded at least 2 assault rifle clips into them (:/)

But when this happens, I pull out my dagger. I don't know if they just aren't expecting it or if I am naturally good (I don't practice much) I can usually dagger them to death by dashing around and stabbing them in the back when they are trying to bf me. I don't know if the things I do are moves or not, I can wall climb and dash endlessly as well as circle strafe dash endlessly. I can also chain lunge assuming they don't safe fall the lunge.

[Morpheus3353]

What you called the chain lunge sounds like dagger gattle to me. You stay in one spot while they fly backwards and you unload on them is what you meant correct? Or did you just mean regular lunge?

[PhoenixxKnix]

:D I've been a D-styler since I started playing in I-GunZ

Dagger *is* really hard to use, even if you're a so called *pro*
The only real USEFUL advantages that are EXCLUSIVE to dagger are probably attacking mobility, quick weapon-to-dagger switch time and wall run capabilities. Multi-WallRun and yoyo fall under switch time and wallrun. Except, wall fighting with a dagger is annoying because of the crappy slow slash-to-wep switch times.
Lack of exclusive techniques make it *somewhat* easy to use as a beginning weapon, but as you get to the higher-level players, dagger becomes MUCH more difficult to learn and apply compared to K-style.
It's a challenge, but if you can use it right, it's easily much more practical than sword/kodachis

^^ Btw I'm not a big fan of people who use dagger for 'fun' without knowing what they're doing :\
I think that's the reason D-stylists aren't taken seriously

[HeavenlyFlow]

All you posted were the advantages of D-style and the disadvantages of K. K-Style > D-Style anytime anywhere anyday.

Glitches ftw~

It's like you've never experienced D-Style before.

D-Style is mostly based on glitches also.

[Morpheus3353]

Almost all styles that aren't e-style (uses actually no glitches unless you wall cancel occasionaly) use glitches. Thats what most styles originated on because you couldn't do all the moves without glithces and programing errors by Maiet.

[PhoenixxKnix]

Oh, and Bella, Yo-yo hop is umm.. hard to explain :D

You Jump, dash in a direction, switch from your dagger to a gun right WHEN you hit the ground, then at the peak of your jump you dash in the opposite direction with your gun out and switch to your dagger when you hit the ground and doing the same thing on the opposite side except dashing silently with your dagger.

Umm.. Something like that :D, You need to figure out the timing for yourself, its hard to describe.


Dagger Machine is simply dagger hopping ( or some form of it ) in a circle around your opponent
If your using it against a turtler, you better be prepared to use glitch evade or blocktap though :\

Right now I'm working on a move for dagger, but it's really pointless since its basically Dagger Machine except it uses reverse stab.

Umm, GunZ Factor also has a dagger Tech quide, but hard-core dagger users are self-taught <3

[Reaver]

I started OWNING k stylers after about a day of k styling, I came out with full hp/ap against a k styler in a bow rules dagger match, and he was freaking DBF'ing faster than anything i've ever seen, i first saw it and i was like 'oh crap, i'm screwed' but then he never hit me once, and it was my 2nd day d styling. As to "no blocking is a huge disadvantage," thats wrong, dash is our block, its incredibly easy to correctly guess where an opponent is going to shoot or go, and counter him. Learn to feint, it'll help (Feints are maneuvers designed to distract or mislead the opponent).

K Style is INCREDIBLY predictable, most of the moves are variations of BF, Wall Cancel, and SS, so figure out how to get by a bf, aim into your opponents wall cancel, and fake your opponent into ss'ing when he thinks he sees an opening.

[3xPiredCreation]

Dstylers are easy to kill. Cause they cant block, and im pretty sure aiming with a shotty or rocket is quite easy.

and the only reason kstylers are ****************************s is because the style has become too american.

Kstylers shouldn't have to say anything in-game

And reaver... Maybe he's a private practicer. You know.. Like the idiots that make private games and try to practice? Yeah.

[zedwill]

i sometimes switch between k style and d style, and i only use k style now because i have not found a dagger move that is effective as hs/rhs. if you could tell me a dagger move that is effective as half step then i would use d style a lot more.

(i'd use it a lot more because of the movement, like you said)

[Gish]

I agree mostly with the OP post.

He needs to specify though...it's not that K-Style is totally predictable (any decent player will prove THAT false)...but that it's core movement elements involve multiple keystrokes. People who are just INSANE with BF can pull it off with disgusting speed. The real point to notice is that regardless of how good...K-Style really involves some pre-planning in where you want to be and how you are going to approach the enemy as a result of the multiple keystrokes.

Daggers advantage over this is that, rather than pre-planning...it relies HEAVILY on thinking on your feet. Because you can switch up what you do (sometimes before you even started the movement) you can adjust beyond the scope of what K-Style allows. But to do THAT will require more reflexes and timing that I think alot of people are ever going to be able to pull off with any success. That, and it bloody hurts your hands in short order.

So....you pro K-stylers out there....no fear. Yeah daggers CAN move and switch up faster than you, but pulling that off with any regularity is something that I doubt many players are ever gonna do. I'm not even reliable with it yet...I still struggle wayyyyyy to hard against solid players.

[Atkafighter]

Yeah Dstyling is great for confusing people, but if the Ksytler is competent you will probably go down. Since I recently made the switch I'm still struggling to take out sloppy Kstylers. I figure once I can yo yo hop everywhere I can beat them. Since Yo yo hopping is basically HSing with a dagger.

[Gish]

Yeah Dstyling is great for confusing people, but if the Ksytler is competent you will probably go down. Since I recently made the switch I'm still struggling to take out sloppy Kstylers. I figure once I can yo yo hop everywhere I can beat them. Since Yo yo hopping is basically HSing with a dagger.

Crappy K-stylers really haven't been my problem. They land a hit or two if I slip up...but generally I can control the situation and walk around them knifing their defenseless back.

I can't yo yo hop at all. I haven't needed it as of yet. I'm not sure it would have helped me against the good K_stylers, and the bad ones were mostly fodder. I think yo yoing helps more in deathmatch though...where being able to move like that in and out of cover would help ALOT.

I don't know so much about competant players of K-style ALWAYS killing me though. Right now (and im the basically the infant stages of learning daggers, and the game as a whole) crappy K-stylers go down without too much trouble. Mediocre ones involve a nice fight that CAN go either way. I suspect that in Gladiator...a Superb K-styler would take forever to bring down if I manage to get good enough with it to even stand a chance. Thats just how the daggers work though. Pop in for a few quick jabs and pop out before they can retaliate.


If its a duel or deathmatch...well...that bloody K-styler had best be able to deal with me flying backwards unloading clip after clip of automatic fire at him :P I wouldnt even BOTHER trying to dive in and out...they would just RS a shotgun round in my face and end the battle right then and there lol. Frankly...I'm not good enough switching out to a gun mid-dash anyway. Gotta work at it I suppose :(

[Reaver]

I myself aren't that great with daggers, but they definitelly have MORE of a place in DM's than a sword, because so many people just have automatic guns, and u can just trap them in a corner as they deal about 10 damage every 3 seconds (if they are lucky) while I take out 80+ dmg from their health and/or armor. It is so easy to use a dagger in DM, you could be on ur second day playing GunZ total and wind up having a 3-1 kill ratio if you are used to FPS type games (Yes, i know that GunZ isn't FPS, but if ur good at FPS type games u will probably have good aim on gunz right off the bat). Swords often require K Style skill, or really good turtle skill to be used consistently in DM's, K style has to be taught or practice, turtling is pretty basic, like E Style, though with a few finer points.

[DragonDagger]

i own k sylers, i spam block tap and ghost evade, usually ending in them getting INSTA KILLED!!! WHOOT

[the_exiled]

lol dragondagger i read some of your other dagger style posts.......you named a bunch of random dagger moves after yourself....dragon dagger style.....common dude

[lightnin]

the only advantage of d-styler (dagger) is that you can hit the players fast and while moving at groun or dashing but it's not a deffenssive style

[Gish]

the only advantage of d-styler (dagger) is that you can hit the players fast and while moving at groun or dashing but it's not a deffenssive style

Nope, it's a purely mobile offensive style. Simply put...while a K-styler can stop moving for a second to turn...D-Style must be dashing pretty much all the time. If we stop, we die. It's just that simple.

[Xhadow_]

Ive, been d-styling for 3 months now, and live in duel rooms. When using a dagger, your main focus should be Evasion. Seriously, bf is a joke when you've mastered dagger flash and space invasion. I laugh at sprayers when i dodge 30/32 bullets fired at me. As for k-style, its awesome.. I learned it myself.. just to better understand it. I recommend doing that to become a better d-styler. Also, I do agree that people using dagger for fun, makes other stylist not take d-style seriously. I respect all styles but that respect most likely will not be returned. Especially from a k-stylist, so as a d-styler you have to accept that. The Majority will never respect the Minority.

[dwarf]

what are the buttons for d-styles???

like jsd and yoyo thingi/>??????????