a message from GM_SKiNG

[GM_SKiNG]

Hi all, there are a few things I wanted to get off my chest.

In the past several months, there have been several hacks plaguing our GunZ service. These hacks include illegal rooms, aimbots, mplvl, and game guard disablers/emulators. Taking action on countless abusive users every week is simply not enough. We as a community can not tolerate this type of behavior, and while we try our best to combat these issues, it feels like a never ending struggle.

Each day, precious energy, time and money are used to keep order in this community. These are resources that could be better spent on improving Gunz and creating new and fresh content to give the community what it wants the most. While we will always devote ourselves to enforcing rules and maintaining a good gaming community, an excessive amount of disruption shifts our focus away from making this happen.

Having been part of the gaming industry for several years, I’ve seen tough decisions made on games that leave users and others without a game into which they’ve put so much time or for which they've waited so anxiously to release. With the current climate of the GunZ service, I think that without a change in the culture of cheating and exploiting the service and other users, the GunZ service won’t be able to improve. It would become something so stale that may eventually lead to the discontinuance of our GunZ service.

Prior to Friday's patch, I had prepared a very important message about the future of GunZ. It was something that everyone in the community would have love to discuss and eventually see come to reality. Especially since it involved the input of the community spawning from the "Things you would like to see improved on" thread. However, with recent events, I decided to put this discussion on hold.

An online gaming community can not thrive and please its users while managing the behavior of a select few who intend to ruin the enjoyment of the legitimate majority. I hope through this message we can rise above these problems and focus more on taking a wonderful free game to another level.

Those of you who continue to aid our service and provide replays of absusive users, we can't not thank you enough. Without you, our community would not survive.

-GM_SKiNG

[eskuAdradit0]

EL OH EL UR OTHER THrEAD GOT DELETEd!!111!!ONEONE!1!

[GM_SKiNG]

Yeah it accidently got deleted while we were deleting the mass spam GunZ forum just had.

[MagicEy]

:) No problem and thank you for all the work you done. :D I suggest getting a small group of volunteers with secure accounts a small position in the forum moderating, probably such for beta testers. It can aidly reduce spam and other non-sense around the forums when you or other staff are not around.

[[RB]-E-Style]

We need more trustworthy in-Game GMs.

Why are there Highway Patrols in our road system? Cuz without them, our road systems will be messed up and accidents would happen everywhere.

Well, that is not a perfect analogy but Gunz can be quite similar. Where are in-Game GMs? If I were a GM, I would patrol often and ban all users who hack and make countless "Showerroom DMs"

I am not blaming ijji staffs at all. So far Gunz has survived thanks to you staffs. the reason why Kgunz is about to die is because their GMs don't pay attention to Gunz. But ijji has shown efforts of making this community nice.

I agree with you that we could have had more other cool features if there were no hackers and ruiners. I believe Prison Quest could have come out earlier if Gunz had no evil mannered ppl. I dunno >.<

I will try my best to send replay of hackers, but thanks to your last patch, I haven't seen one yet. (That message hack was really annoying especially in CW)

I really don't want to see Gunz service to be terminated.(that would really suck for top individuals rankers xD) I believe we all don't want that. T_T

[^1^1]

Once again I'll put my reply here.

I even used the GG disabler / emulator.

Not for hacking purposes though, I just wanted a faster run game (can hardly play with game guard).


What you say is true.

Hackers destroyed the international gunz game.

I'd hate to see that happen to this version.

(I miss being the first poster here /wrist)

[GM_SKiNG]

Well believe it or not, we are in-game, a lot. We only have 3 GMs available to be active in GunZ throughout the day. We're hidden about 75% of the time. Now with 10 servers and 11 channels in each server. It's very unlikely that someone will see us most of the time but we are there. Also remember that we have other games to moderate other than GunZ.

We are however working on getting a little help :)

[eskuAdradit0]

Well believe it or not, we are in-game, a lot. We only have 3 GMs available to be active in GunZ throughout the day. We're hidden about 75% of the time. Now with 10 servers and 11 channels in each server. It's very unlikely that someone will see us most of the time but we are there. Also remember that we have other games to moderate other than GunZ.

We are however working on getting a little help :)

Make me mod nao.


Back to reality and seriousness,GunZ is a great game,don't let it die please.

Even though I'm not a hardcore player anymore,it was very fun.

But with all these Aimbots,Laggers,Whiners,etc its almost impossible to have fun while playing,especially against Shotgun aimbotters,they are really hard to detect.

[Adam~]

SKiNG, your dreaming.

Posting a thread here will solve this problem not.

You might have been in the gaming industry for years, but there are some things you need to realise.

A. You don't ban hackers, you ban their accounts, this may seem obvious, but this doesn't stop them from hacking, they do not care about their characters or levels, all they care about is ruining the game for others, simply deleting their accounts will just prompt them to make new ones, and hence, the cycle begins again.

B. Whether its IJJI's fault or not, Gunz is an easy game to "hack". Its P2P ( Peer to Peer ) , and relies heavily on a client sided program to protect it from malicious code. This program must be updated according to block new threats, and can never be fully up to date. The program you are using now, Gameguard not only protects gunz from malicious code, but it uses a ridicious amount of processor power, slowing down Gunz and other programs, hence the reason why people have been using gameguard emulators, not to hack the game, but just to play Gunz without drops in frame-rate.

C. The mega power level, is patched server side now. Should be dis-counted from your list because it was a one off that will never become an issue again in the short-term.

D. Hacked rooms are just peoples way of trying to level faster, partly because they are lazy, and partly because its entertaining to go into a game with 100 people and throw grenades everywhere.

If you want to solve your problems with Gunz. You have to start actually acting and punishing the hackers. Im talking about IP Bans, Im talking about researching the worst hackers and filing law suits, Im talking about GMs actually being active on the servers to close these hacked rooms quickly after they are opened, im talking about banning players which get 1-50 in 2 days, its so friggin obvious that they did it unfairly, so why let them get away with it? Although replacing Gameguard with something else would be better, I understand your currently under contract with INCA and can do nothing at this present time.

I hope you actually read this and maybe think about some of the points I have raised, most of it is probably obvious but its always good to re think things over.

[MagicEy]

If you want to solve your problems with Gunz. You have to start actually acting and punishing the hackers. Im talking about IP Bans, Im talking about researching the worst hackers and filing law suits, Im talking about GMs actually being active on the servers to close these hacked rooms quickly after they are opened, im talking about banning players which get 1-50 in 2 days, its so friggin obvious that they did it unfairly, so why let them get away with it? Although replacing Gameguard with something else would be better, I understand your currently under contract with INCA and can do nothing at this present time.
I agree but not about the part of lawsuits. Lawsuits cost alot of money for such things, I'm pretty sure they can get them fined or something for destruction of property or something. :) If anything, they need to some how get rid of these private servers, even though the content belongs to MAIET, they are stealing players and such.

[Terranwolf]

SKiNG, your dreaming.

Posting a thread here will solve this problem not.

You might have been in the gaming industry for years, but there are some things you need to realise.

A. You don't ban hackers, you ban their accounts, this may seem obvious, but this doesn't stop them from hacking, they do not care about their characters or levels, all they care about is ruining the game for others, simply deleting their accounts will just prompt them to make new ones, and hence, the cycle begins again.

B. Whether its IJJI's fault or not, Gunz is an easy game to "hack". Its P2P ( Peer to Peer ) , and relies heavily on a client sided program to protect it from malicious code. This program must be updated according to block new threats, and can never be fully up to date. The program you are using now, Gameguard not only protects gunz from malicious code, but it uses a ridicious amount of processor power, slowing down Gunz and other programs, hence the reason why people have been using gameguard emulators, not to hack the game, but just to play Gunz without drops in frame-rate.

C. The mega power level, is patched server side now. Should be dis-counted from your list because it was a one off that will never become an issue again in the short-term.

D. Hacked rooms are just peoples way of trying to level faster, partly because they are lazy, and partly because its entertaining to go into a game with 100 people and throw grenades everywhere.

If you want to solve your problems with Gunz. You have to start actually acting and punishing the hackers. Im talking about IP Bans, Im talking about researching the worst hackers and filing law suits, Im talking about GMs actually being active on the servers to close these hacked rooms quickly after they are opened, im talking about banning players which get 1-50 in 2 days, its so friggin obvious that they did it unfairly, so why let them get away with it? Although replacing Gameguard with something else would be better, I understand your currently under contract with INCA and can do nothing at this present time.

I hope you actually read this and maybe think about some of the points I have raised, most of it is probably obvious but its always good to re think things over.


Just to let you know, ijji is putting forth MASSIVE amounts of effort (as if they aren't already busy daily) this past week on the hack/swap situation. Things are going to change around here.

As for the emulators, I see the purpose, but legion and waryas didn't see the downside to GGE - more hackers than legit were using it (much, much more than legit use).

[Adam~]

I agree but not about the part of lawsuits. Lawsuits cost alot of money for such things, I'm pretty sure they can get them fined or something for destruction of property or something. :) If anything, they need to some how get rid of these private servers, even though the content belongs to MAIET, they are stealing players and such.

Well they can do something along those lines if you understand what I mean.

Getting rid of private servers is a difficult issue, because thats MAIETs job, not IJJIs unfortunatly, Maiet developed the game and its their responibility to close private servers using their game code etc.

[eskuAdradit0]

Im talking about IP Bans, Im talking about researching the worst hackers and filing law suits,


That made my day.

Proxys?Ding ding
Most of the coders got dynamic IPs?ding ding!

Filling law suits?Won't do anything.
I can imagine that

"your chargues are :
hacking a videogame,you got to..er...community work for 1 day
case closed
*on mind*:
wht the ****************?Hacking a videogame,whats internet these days?"

OH MAN CRY!

Apart from that,its a pretty stable post you got there.

[peaceofpi]

It's nice to see a GM talking to us personally about the game, I feel a little better at least.

On another note, could you clear up some PM space? I've been waiting forever to ask you something (you're the only one who would probably answer me)

[Kiedo]

*Edited by GM_SKiNG

Please, I want to keep this thread in a serious manner. Thanks

[Adam~]

That made my day.

Proxys?Ding ding
Most of the coders got dynamic IPs?ding ding!

Filling law suits?Won't do anything.
I can imagine that

"your chargues are :
hacking a videogame,you got to..er...community work for 1 day
case closed
*on mind*:
wht the ****************?Hacking a videogame,whats internet these days?"

OH MAN CRY!

Apart from that,its a pretty stable post you got there.

You could see it as damaging profit ^^ Not just hacking a video game.

Most of the "coders" or "hackers" in Gunz are leechers that download hacks from "*****.com" etc, I don t think they would be smart enough to use a proxy xD

[GM_SKiNG]

SKiNG, your dreaming.

Posting a thread here will solve this problem not.

You might have been in the gaming industry for years, but there are some things you need to realise.

A. You don't ban hackers, you ban their accounts, this may seem obvious, but this doesn't stop them from hacking, they do not care about their characters or levels, all they care about is ruining the game for others, simply deleting their accounts will just prompt them to make new ones, and hence, the cycle begins again.

B. Whether its IJJI's fault or not, Gunz is an easy game to "hack". Its P2P ( Peer to Peer ) , and relies heavily on a client sided program to protect it from malicious code. This program must be updated according to block new threats, and can never be fully up to date. The program you are using now, Gameguard not only protects gunz from malicious code, but it uses a ridicious amount of processor power, slowing down Gunz and other programs, hence the reason why people have been using gameguard emulators, not to hack the game, but just to play Gunz without drops in frame-rate.

C. The mega power level, is patched server side now. Should be dis-counted from your list because it was a one off that will never become an issue again in the short-term.

D. Hacked rooms are just peoples way of trying to level faster, partly because they are lazy, and partly because its entertaining to go into a game with 100 people and throw grenades everywhere.

If you want to solve your problems with Gunz. You have to start actually acting and punishing the hackers. Im talking about IP Bans, Im talking about researching the worst hackers and filing law suits, Im talking about GMs actually being active on the servers to close these hacked rooms quickly after they are opened, im talking about banning players which get 1-50 in 2 days, its so friggin obvious that they did it unfairly, so why let them get away with it? Although replacing Gameguard with something else would be better, I understand your currently under contract with INCA and can do nothing at this present time.

I hope you actually read this and maybe think about some of the points I have raised, most of it is probably obvious but its always good to re think things over.

You make very good points.

A. We do ban the account. When I say ban, I mean the entire account, not just the character.

B. Right

C. Right

D. Right

How do you know we did not IP ban or file lawsuits already? Just because we do not speak about certain things does not mean it's not being done. Every single point you brought up is discussed here in the office every single day. As a company, we have to evaluate every single issue and way out the negatives and positives. But I'm glad you brought up these issues very clearly for others to see.

[Gwen Stefani]

You'd end the Gunz service? Your just going to give up? I doubt the hackers even browse this forum, they have their own little forums they bounce their programs around in. No matter what you do, there will always be people who want to cheat and always be a new hack being coded to replace the old conquered one. I hope you realise every game that has a player base of 2000+ has some kind of hacks, bots, and cheats to use. Ending the construction of this great game will only let the hackers know that they've won in their goal to grief you and the rest of the ijji staff and gaming community. I suggest investing in better securities and all you need is one staff member to hang out in game and view reports sent in by players to ban hackers shortly after they load them up and use them. I really can't believe you just presented the possibility to us you may stop making content because of hackers, that really disturbs me and makes me a bit embarassed to support you.

[eskuAdradit0]

You could see it as damaging profit ^^ Not just hacking a video game.

Trust me,can't be much
Most of the "coders" or "hackers" in Gunz are leechers that download hacks from "*****.com" etc, I don t think they would be smart enough to use a proxy xD

Coders?Maybe the "hacks users"

The coders,such as Waryas,OWS,Legion,Dexgod

Do you think that a IP ban is gonna stop them?

You could stop some of the leechers,until someone posts a tut on how to avoid it.


A. We do ban the account. When I say ban, I mean the entire account, not just the character.


He means IP ban them,he means that the hacks users can just create another account and keep hacking.

[Adam~]

You make very good points.

A. We do ban the account. When I say ban, I mean the entire account, not just the character.

B. Right

C. Right

D. Right

How do you know we did not IP ban or file lawsuits already? Just because we do not speak about certain things does not mean it's not being done. Every single point you brought up is discussed here in the office every single day. As a company, we have to evaluate every single issue and way out the negatives and positives. But I'm glad you brought up these issues very clearly for others to see.

Unfortuntely, you maybe doing these things in the background, but most players will not think so unless they are told. It might be against company policy to tell players what is happeining, but if you tell them your actually doing something, they will gain respect for you, Guntrix worked in that manner when he took over Igunz and built up a great relationship with the community.

You ban the account, They just make a new one! >.< and hacks away! Its not hard to make enough email etc ^^.

In all fairness, I hope that your doing the best you can for the game and I hope you have the patience to sit out this period. The hackers won't make hacks forever, the cult will die evenutally ( I hope ). After heavily donating to IJJI, id hate to see the Gunz serivce closed because of a few players that like to ruin it for everyone else.

Trust me,can't be much


Coders?Maybe the "hacks users"

The coders,such as Waryas,OWS,Legion,Dexgod

Do you think that a IP ban is gonna stop them?

You could stop some of the leechers,until someone posts a tut on how to avoid it.


Im talking about the mainstream level 10s you see in games that just downloaded the hacks, the actual proper hackers are a different story altogether. Its really difficult to prevent these people from releasing new trainers etc etc.

[GM_SKiNG]

You'd end the Gunz service? Your just going to give up? I doubt the hackers even browse this forum, they have their own little forums they bounce their programs around in. No matter what you do, there will always be people who want to cheat and always be a new hack being coded to replace the old conquered one. I hope you realise every game that has a player base of 2000+ has some kind of hacks, bots, and cheats to use. Ending the construction of this great game will only let the hackers know that they've won in their goal to grief you and the rest of the ijji staff and gaming community. I suggest investing in better securities and all you need is one staff member to hang out in game and view reports sent in by players to ban hackers shortly after they load them up and use them. I really can't believe you just presented the possibility to us you may stop making content because of hackers, that really disturbs me and makes me a bit embarassed to support you.

I am making a discussion for awareness and community building.

Hmm, you possibly mis-read my point.

I will never give-up. I'm still here, I'm still active, still planning for the future of GunZ.
I know there will always be people who want to grief our service or any other game out there. That was the whole point of this thread.

1 Staff member is not enough to hang out in game. We have 3 fully active.
1 Staff member is not enough to view reports sent in by hackers to action. You wouldn't believe how many e-mails we sift through each day. (Keep them coming!)

As far as game guard, I have no authority over what goes on with it other than informing INCA with information.

Im sorry it disturbs you but I won't lie and say everything is all well and peachy. It's more than just hackers. Hackers just happens to be the bigger picture at the moment.

[Vash]

Wall of text.. not reading.

kthxbai

[Kiedo]

No! I spent ten minutes on that image! :cry:

On a more serious note, if I may speak for the community as a whole... There are certain abusers and hacks that people don't really care about. The most obvious would be swappers. Swapping hurts nobody and in fact lowers the skill level of those who participate more often than they should, thereby making it easier for more legitimate players to kill said swapper and gain experience. We actually enjoy fighting high level swappers with no skill as it makes the game that much easier for us. The whole swapping ban came after an event in Closed Beta which gave prizes to the people who could reach the highest level. The event was flawed and banning swappers at that time was justified but since then, as I said, nobody really cares.

Another problem is the hacked (glitched) rooms such as Stairway in Free Channel or DeathMatch in a Duel Room. It was recently revealed that there is actually a glitch that will allow you to make these rooms without the use of hacks, I'm not sure if you are all aware of that at this point. Playing in these games are quite fun and as with swapping, hurts nobody. I understand that new weapons and maps are the only reasons worth leveling up for so being able to attain these things at a lower level or through swapping might seem unfair and worthy of a ban. This is wrong, however, and a rare instance of a GM team taking the game more seriously than it's most dedicated users.

Unlike most games on the internet, GunZ is all about skill, nothing else. A naked level 1 with a Rusty Sword can beat a fully equipped level 60 if the skill difference is that much. Please believe me when I say that most people in the community are concerned that ijji is spending too much time focusing on trivial offenses when they should only be going after hackers and nobody else. I think it's still up for debate on whether people who use programs such as Dexlauncher or GG Disabler truly deserve a permanent ban. They are mostly good people who play the game fairly and have invested a lot of time in GunZ.

That is all, thanks. Please add Dual Daggers.

[Mugendai_Shi]

No offense and please don't hate me for saying this but...

It's a free online game, because of that, there will always be hackers. it's really hard, if not, impossible to stop every single one. only fix I see to the problem on GunZ right now is to keeping patching them up and releasing updated Gamegaurds. IP banning works and it's pretty much a very slow process of picking off the hackers one by one, this works but because this is the internet we're talking about, there will be 3 new hackers for every 1 hacker you discover and ban.

A way you can "fight" hackers is to put in some kind of reward system for people reporting hackers. I don't know how it'd work but something to encourage people speaking up and reporting hackers when they see them. Now, people are gonna read that last sentence and they're gonna go "give free G coins to people who report hackers!!!", that wouldn't work out well IMO because Ijji would go out of business lol. I was thinking maybe a special equip or something.

well, there's my 2 cents. hope it helps.

[~AznX~]

No offense and please don't hate me for saying this but...

It's a free online game, because of that, there will always be hackers. it's really hard, if not, impossible to stop every single one. only fix I see to the problem on GunZ right now is to keeping patching them up and releasing updated Gamegaurds. IP banning works and it's pretty much a very slow process of picking off the hackers one by one, this works but because this is the internet we're talking about, there will be 3 new hackers for every 1 hacker you discover and ban.

A way you can "fight" hackers is to put in some kind of reward system for people reporting hackers. I don't know how it'd work but something to encourage people speaking up and reporting hackers when they see them. Now, people are gonna read that last sentence and they're gonna go "give free G coins to people who report hackers!!!", that wouldn't work out well IMO because Ijji would go out of business lol. I was thinking maybe a special equip or something.

well, there's my 2 cents. hope it helps.

Give 3 cents pl0x, asked ~AznX~?

[Vash]

No offense and please don't hate me for saying this but...

It's a free online game, because of that, there will always be hackers. it's really hard, if not, impossible to stop every single one. only fix I see to the problem on GunZ right now is to keeping patching them up and releasing updated Gamegaurds. IP banning works and it's pretty much a very slow process of picking off the hackers one by one, this works but because this is the internet we're talking about, there will be 3 new hackers for every 1 hacker you discover and ban.

A way you can "fight" hackers is to put in some kind of reward system for people reporting hackers. I don't know how it'd work but something to encourage people speaking up and reporting hackers when they see them. Now, people are gonna read that last sentence and they're gonna go "give free G coins to people who report hackers!!!", that wouldn't work out well IMO because Ijji would go out of business lol. I was thinking maybe a special equip or something.

well, there's my 2 cents. hope it helps.

free or not... everygame has haxorz

[Gwen Stefani]

Honestly i think this thread was kind of pointless then because im sure 95% of the people that are hacking, can care less about the community and the improvement of the game. And the people who dont hack and have read this, probably already have a lot against hackers and this will just add to their hate for them but theres not much more we can do besides send in reports.

There is probably no easy way to keep hackers away as long as the game is free. If you charged maybe for a 'premium account' for 'premium servers' this may help keep Gunz in good standing for the caring community. I could be wrong but people won't continuosly hack if they have to pay for each new account every time theirs gets banned. I know you guyz will probably never do this because you want to keep Gunz free for the most part but it is a solution ive seen work out pretty well for many games.

[Deseas]

It would be a sad day if the GunZ service was closed. I play the game almost every day and I have spent money for G Coins. I and many others played iGunZ waiting and hoping for a publisher to host the full version of GunZ. When on October 4th, 2006 it was announced that ijji would be the publisher for the full version I was very happy. But, to have it taken away would be very sad. Just hang in there ijji GunZ staff I am sure you can fix the ongoing hacking situation.
Also, I love it when GMs inform us of what's going on, it really shows you care about the GunZ community!

BTW: I would LOVE for Prison Quest to be released I play GunZ mostly for Quest. If you could talk to us about a possible release date or any info on a Quest update I would be very pleased!

[randomcold2]

ip bans wont work i can unplug my modem for 30 minuates and get a new ip addressso forget that idea but bann there accounts!!!

[randomcold2]

i read something to if ppl keep hacking gunz cant get out to the community and i dont mean gunz ppl

[Mugendai_Shi]

Give 3 cents pl0x, asked ~AznX~?

is that a "I would love to hear more stuff from you"? or something else? :P

[~AznX~]

is that a "I would love to hear more stuff from you"? or something else? :P

Nah, im basically saying what Vash said, stated ~AznX~

[Mugendai_Shi]

Nah, im basically saying what Vash said, stated ~AznX~

haha, ok fine. fair enough, I'll shut up :)

[Zodiac]

SKiNG, no offence bro, but ijjiGunZ is ruined. Once Dexgod started selling Veldi that ruined GunZ. One buyer one day is going to be like, you know what I hate GunZ and release it. What is Veldi? Veldi is a hack that is auto-updating, so SKiNG how this works, it uses signatures in the adresses so every patch you guys make, is just searched for using the original adresses < signatures, and is found so basically they have the new adresses making it possible for the hack to work in the new patch.

How do I know this? Because my good friend in real life has a copy of Veldi without being bought.

[RayJing]

Well I I'd hate to see a game thats is as good as this go to waste, however it already comes to mind that the script kiddies thats ruin games will always come as long as you are existant. Bounty on the heads of wannabe hackers will only make them give themselves in after they create about 40 accounts and report each one. Simple as that. That idea is flawwed. The only thought I can really have is to get a trust worthy hacker that you find on craiglists or something and have them work under you. As unreliable as most are and thier l337 speak, it will give you an advantage on how they work and where the exploits are in your system. They would require a very very rigirous screening test though (I'd hate to have a double edged sword in close corridors).

At anyrate it would be a shame to see this agme dissapear. There are still hackers I agree, But if patches were released weekly rather then biweekly it would stop most script kiddies. As for Veldi as Zodiac speaks of, I have never heard of such an item but the thought of it sounds dangerous for our community. This is where you need a new anti hack client because gamegaurd is obviously dissapointing us all.

However needless to say, you GM's are doing a stellar job given your circumstances. I was thinking of applying for a job under Ijji but my school buckled me down. (I have to get my second major and find a career choice).

Hackers are like ****************, cutting them from the top will do nothing, you gotta aim for their roots. Only way I can see is to have someone on the inside help you out. I'm just blabbering now I'm off to play gunz.

[ItsugosE]

SKiNG, your dreaming.

Posting a thread here will solve this problem not.

You might have been in the gaming industry for years, but there are some things you need to realise.

A. You don't ban hackers, you ban their accounts, this may seem obvious, but this doesn't stop them from hacking, they do not care about their characters or levels, all they care about is ruining the game for others, simply deleting their accounts will just prompt them to make new ones, and hence, the cycle begins again.

B. Whether its IJJI's fault or not, Gunz is an easy game to "hack". Its P2P ( Peer to Peer ) , and relies heavily on a client sided program to protect it from malicious code. This program must be updated according to block new threats, and can never be fully up to date. The program you are using now, Gameguard not only protects gunz from malicious code, but it uses a ridicious amount of processor power, slowing down Gunz and other programs, hence the reason why people have been using gameguard emulators, not to hack the game, but just to play Gunz without drops in frame-rate.

C. The mega power level, is patched server side now. Should be dis-counted from your list because it was a one off that will never become an issue again in the short-term.

D. Hacked rooms are just peoples way of trying to level faster, partly because they are lazy, and partly because its entertaining to go into a game with 100 people and throw grenades everywhere.

If you want to solve your problems with Gunz. You have to start actually acting and punishing the hackers. Im talking about IP Bans, Im talking about researching the worst hackers and filing law suits, Im talking about GMs actually being active on the servers to close these hacked rooms quickly after they are opened, im talking about banning players which get 1-50 in 2 days, its so friggin obvious that they did it unfairly, so why let them get away with it? Although replacing Gameguard with something else would be better, I understand your currently under contract with INCA and can do nothing at this present time.

I hope you actually read this and maybe think about some of the points I have raised, most of it is probably obvious but its always good to re think things over.

Well explained, they should make you an admin lol. :clap:

[UzumakiX]

*Edited by GM_SKiNG

Please, I want to keep this thread in a serious manner. Thanks

owned by ur "ex-boyfriend" kiedo lol. Anyways. Adam is right. prosecution might be a good idea. Some of these players are people with jobs and are only playing on their lunch breaks. A hack would tick them off severly. Then there are the kids, all they want is a good time. Prosecutions not only end hacking, it also stops account hackers. I know of people that lost over 30 dollars worth of G coins. That right there, is absolutley NOT funny. You spend 30 hard earn bucks for what? to have like no life 12 year old steal it all from you? No, i for one applaud you for the idea of law suits.:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: GO SKiNG

[SuperGoat]

Yes, Adam brought some strong arguements, I can remember the reason the Locust Plague Hack was released, to combat hackers. A group of GunZ players from the international beta were fed up with it, and decided everyone should pay; let's hope this kind of thing doesn't happen again. I can imagine how hard it would be to constantly try to keep the game's service running and about. I do too believe Gameguard doesn't do the job so efficently, because the way most hacks are activated (from what I've heard) are right before GG load, maybe something that comes up before the GunZ Launcher could solve the problem? I don't know much about it, but that does seem like it'd work. Thank you Ijji, for making GunZ a better game to play for all, I appreciate all the things you've done in the past few weeks to make the game alot more enjoyable for all.

[PRO_PWNER]

How About a message to the community for Soldier Front? I'm from the Soldier Front forums and the hacking/gltiching/tapping is pretty bad also. Every single game played in Soldier Front, one of these things occur. EVERY single game. It even occured WITH a GM. in-game. Do you believe that? It is just getting out of control and is really caused much stress for the legitimate players. I think a letter straight to the community from you, GM_SkiNG, will (if nothing else) boost the morale of honest players and giving them hope that Soldier Front will go somewhere and keep encouraging members to keep sending in the SS of hackers/gltichers/tappers. Because, even though we know you are doing your jobs trying to get rid of these cheaters. Getting a message straight from the staff will give us a sign of relief that you guys actually care and is doing what you can to combat these cheaters. IMO, SF is one of the best FPS I've ever played (and Ive played many). Sorry for posting about Soldier Front in the GunZ forum.

[tailsy]

its nice what he is saying but the problem is if people can do somthing they will no matter how hard you try if its possible to do it they will, i think you need to make these bans more serious to get a more agressive and threatening view to people that hack

[HeavenlyFlow]

Those of you who continue to aid our service and provide replays of absusive users, we can't not thank you enough. Without you, our community would not survive.

-GM_SKiNG

Thank with rep plox.

[BO0M]

Hi all, there are a few things I wanted to get off my chest.

In the past several months, there have been several hacks plaguing our GunZ service. These hacks include illegal rooms, aimbots, mplvl, and game guard disablers/emulators. Taking action on countless abusive users every week is simply not enough. We as a community can not tolerate this type of behavior, and while we try our best to combat these issues, it feels like a never ending struggle.

Each day, precious energy, time and money are used to keep order in this community. These are resources that could be better spent on improving Gunz and creating new and fresh content to give the community what it wants the most. While we will always devote ourselves to enforcing rules and maintaining a good gaming community, an excessive amount of disruption shifts our focus away from making this happen.

Having been part of the gaming industry for several years, I’ve seen tough decisions made on games that leave users and others without a game into which they’ve put so much time or for which they've waited so anxiously to release. With the current climate of the GunZ service, I think that without a change in the culture of cheating and exploiting the service and other users, the GunZ service won’t be able to improve. It would become something so stale that may eventually lead to the discontinuance of our GunZ service.

Prior to Friday's patch, I had prepared a very important message about the future of GunZ. It was something that everyone in the community would have love to discuss and eventually see come to reality. Especially since it involved the input of the community spawning from the "Things you would like to see improved on" thread. However, with recent events, I decided to put this discussion on hold.

An online gaming community can not thrive and please its users while managing the behavior of a select few who intend to ruin the enjoyment of the legitimate majority. I hope through this message we can rise above these problems and focus more on taking a wonderful free game to another level.

Those of you who continue to aid our service and provide replays of absusive users, we can't not thank you enough. Without you, our community would not survive.

-GM_SKiNG

Yeah, hacks have been spreading around so much with all the bots and stuff. I have a question for you though; do you ever get annoyed that MAIET is slow to patch certain things? It's a wonder to me they finished gunz at all at the rate they patch things. D: I understand that you guys pay them per patch, but it seems like they work like snails.

But please, don't let gunz die. A lot of us really like the game, the sad part is that we have not gotten any new content in a long time. By new content, I don't mean recycled premiums from kgunz..I mean new weapons, maps, character styles, channels, game modes, etc.

All the gunz NA players have not been blessed with very good service so far (MAIET in igunz - crappy servers, lag, huge downtime), ijji is much better but I still think there are ways to improve. First off, all these hackers need to go. I see soooo many in clan war 1 - you should go to expert channel 1 sometime and see all the script kiddies spamming their junk like "[curse word here] yeah! AMERICA!" with a huge flag like 60 times...people also use the bots for advertisement, which I think is unfair.

[Prosperity]

Why does it take over a month to fail to patch aimbot and annoy bots but you can patch GG disabler in 2 days, whilst aimbot is annoying and GG disabler is used to get rid of lag.

[FluffyWolf2]

Why does it take over a month to fail to patch aimbot and annoy bots but you can patch GG disabler in 2 days, whilst aimbot is annoying and GG disabler is used to get rid of lag.

GG disabler assists in getting Aimbot through. You patch Gameguard to block Aimbot then someone uses a GG disabler and then Aimbots more.

In order of which to block before the other, I would classify GG. Besides ijji is a service and can only do so much with code I'm sure. They were probably having to work with GG in some cases to get the patch. Who really knows. All I know is they moved in the right direction ^.^

[tailsy]

the problem is if someone can hack they will, and people just get a new ip when there banned , ijji need to get a more serious and aggressive look against hackers to scare the ones that are thinking about it off, more serious punishments if it was up to me but im old fashioned i guess=/

[Jc_is_so_pimp]

Is he basically saying that we will get more updates n' stuff if there were less hackers?

[tailsy]

Is he basically saying that we will get more updates n' stuff if there were less hackers?

he is saying if people keep hacking in gunz it will fail and be closed i think they want a stronger more civilized community for gunz which i think they need its the worst gamming group i ever been in

[Mike200]

IMO, you should get rid of GG and use XTrap or a custom anti-cheat program. Probably make it server-sided.
Another thing you could try is masking Gunz.exe process sooner so people can't inject their DLLs.

You could also have a team of player moderators or something, or just a function that will let people call a GM when they see a hacker.

Keeping logs and going through them every once in a while would help ban hackers and spammers (honestly spammers annoy me even more than hackers).

just some basic ideas to get rid of hackers...

And a question: is swapping still illegal? I hear some people say it wasn't and I don't see any swap reports...



Oh, and maybe it'd be a good idea to make people take IQ tests before registering ^^

[JackOfNoTrades]

SO you NOOB=D I'm _WHY_...

Anyways one way to prevent it with out making any great changes is some how announce k/d -style because , because of those styles most hackers who hack their way up (not for ruinning the game for others but to play), will have no idea what other's are doing etc. and wioll realize they phail since they'll almost lose in every thing with out hacks....

[Terranwolf]

I am making a discussion for awareness and community building.

Hmm, you possibly mis-read my point.

I will never give-up. I'm still here, I'm still active, still planning for the future of GunZ.
I know there will always be people who want to grief our service or any other game out there. That was the whole point of this thread.

1 Staff member is not enough to hang out in game. We have 3 fully active.
1 Staff member is not enough to view reports sent in by hackers to action. You wouldn't believe how many e-mails we sift through each day. (Keep them coming!)

As far as game guard, I have no authority over what goes on with it other than informing INCA with information.

Im sorry it disturbs you but I won't lie and say everything is all well and peachy. It's more than just hackers. Hackers just happens to be the bigger picture at the moment.

SKiNG doesn't want ijji to terminate the service.
It was very hard work to get them not to.

[Narascha]

Hi all, there are a few things I wanted to get off my chest.

In the past several months, there have been several hacks plaguing our GunZ service. These hacks include illegal rooms, aimbots, mplvl, and game guard disablers/emulators. Taking action on countless abusive users every week is simply not enough. We as a community can not tolerate this type of behavior, and while we try our best to combat these issues, it feels like a never ending struggle.

Each day, precious energy, time and money are used to keep order in this community. These are resources that could be better spent on improving Gunz and creating new and fresh content to give the community what it wants the most. While we will always devote ourselves to enforcing rules and maintaining a good gaming community, an excessive amount of disruption shifts our focus away from making this happen.

Having been part of the gaming industry for several years, I’ve seen tough decisions made on games that leave users and others without a game into which they’ve put so much time or for which they've waited so anxiously to release. With the current climate of the GunZ service, I think that without a change in the culture of cheating and exploiting the service and other users, the GunZ service won’t be able to improve. It would become something so stale that may eventually lead to the discontinuance of our GunZ service.

Prior to Friday's patch, I had prepared a very important message about the future of GunZ. It was something that everyone in the community would have love to discuss and eventually see come to reality. Especially since it involved the input of the community spawning from the "Things you would like to see improved on" thread. However, with recent events, I decided to put this discussion on hold.

An online gaming community can not thrive and please its users while managing the behavior of a select few who intend to ruin the enjoyment of the legitimate majority. I hope through this message we can rise above these problems and focus more on taking a wonderful free game to another level.

Those of you who continue to aid our service and provide replays of absusive users, we can't not thank you enough. Without you, our community would not survive.

-GM_SKiNG

can u say it in easy words im pretty dumb i dont got a crap of what u just said T.T

[Ðemon]

I put 20 Smacks into this game, no way would i want it to end....

[tailsy]

can u say it in easy words im pretty dumb i dont got a crap of what u just said T.T

he means simply

if people keep on hacking like this they will close gunz eventualy

[King]

Nice sig, tailsy.

Nao, GJ SKiNG. ur right. the hackers, and ruiners need to stop. they make the game less fun... But I wish I could be a GM... but im not that smart... Or old... 0_0

so... GJ! lols

[FluffyWolf2]

he means simply

if people keep on hacking like this they will close gunz eventualy

Correct.

ijji is interested in keeping customers happy. However if GunZ itself gets to a status where time is being consumed for other games needs then ijji may have to resolve the solution.

I personally think they should not close the service and I have a suggestion if they went towards that, that may help. I doubt they will though at least no time in the near future. And if SKiNG can keep it alive for 4 years while I'm at college, I'll apply to NHN for ijji [Along with some others XD I have my top 5 and yes ijji is in there for working for after college.] I'll keep it alive after that ;) Hang in there SKiNG! I'm coming! XD

*Starts clock for 4 year countdown* Don't I just make you smile? XD Now you know backup is coming! Just... slightly... delayed... sorry about that, couldn't be born any earlier then I was XD, you can wait 4 years right? ^.^ No biggie. Eat some pizza while you wait! I wonder... how many pizzas you'll go through before 4 years is up O.o...

[Killer_die]

1.why doesnt ijji jst hire more Gms Just for Gunz so that hackers would get banned daily or seomthing like tat

2.The hackers arent the only ones causein this the massive spammers out their do it to so why not ban them or suspend.

3.To many patches make ppl lagg and DC so there shoudl be like 1 patch every 6 months or longer :P

[Ian H.]

^_^ Glad we could help. Thanks for acknowledging us. Wasn't sure if everything ever gets through. Good thing I have friends and a brother who are friends with the GMs. ;P

[Sariel]

Hi all, there are a few things I wanted to get off my chest.

In the past several months, there have been several hacks plaguing our GunZ service. These hacks include illegal rooms, aimbots, mplvl, and game guard disablers/emulators. Taking action on countless abusive users every week is simply not enough. We as a community can not tolerate this type of behavior, and while we try our best to combat these issues, it feels like a never ending struggle.

Each day, precious energy, time and money are used to keep order in this community. These are resources that could be better spent on improving Gunz and creating new and fresh content to give the community what it wants the most. While we will always devote ourselves to enforcing rules and maintaining a good gaming community, an excessive amount of disruption shifts our focus away from making this happen.

Having been part of the gaming industry for several years, I’ve seen tough decisions made on games that leave users and others without a game into which they’ve put so much time or for which they've waited so anxiously to release. With the current climate of the GunZ service, I think that without a change in the culture of cheating and exploiting the service and other users, the GunZ service won’t be able to improve. It would become something so stale that may eventually lead to the discontinuance of our GunZ service.

Prior to Friday's patch, I had prepared a very important message about the future of GunZ. It was something that everyone in the community would have love to discuss and eventually see come to reality. Especially since it involved the input of the community spawning from the "Things you would like to see improved on" thread. However, with recent events, I decided to put this discussion on hold.

An online gaming community can not thrive and please its users while managing the behavior of a select few who intend to ruin the enjoyment of the legitimate majority. I hope through this message we can rise above these problems and focus more on taking a wonderful free game to another level.

Those of you who continue to aid our service and provide replays of absusive users, we can't not thank you enough. Without you, our community would not survive.

-GM_SKiNG

Well, I for the longest time thought i'd never even try to talk with a GM because they never read my posts, but here is different.

If you have a huge problem with hackers, why not offer incentive for people to report them?

Offer things that might be harder to aquire. Maybe a premium for a day or two? Some G-Coins? Experience?

Doing any of the above will get people off their lazy bums to start taking demos of hackers. Most people I know, when see a hacker say 'Oh well, they're helping me' or 'How can this make a difference?'

Well, by simply putting temptation into their path and using greed to your advantage, you can aquire sites that pass out illegal hacks, ban hackers and so on and so fourth.

It would seriously help clear up the game.

Another suggestion is to use average players as moderators or mini-Gm's.

Also, law suits are indeed a good idea. I know for a fact i'll continue to donate money into Ijji so they can continue the already amazing service they have. Hopefully these issues can be resolved.

[FluffyWolf2]

Well, I for the longest time thought i'd never even try to talk with a GM because they never read my posts, but here is different.

If you have a huge problem with hackers, why not offer incentive for people to report them?

Offer things that might be harder to aquire. Maybe a premium for a day or two? Some G-Coins? Experience?

Doing any of the above will get people off their lazy bums to start taking demos of hackers. Most people I know, when see a hacker say 'Oh well, they're helping me' or 'How can this make a difference?'

Well, by simply putting temptation into their path and using greed to your advantage, you can aquire sites that pass out illegal hacks, ban hackers and so on and so fourth.

It would seriously help clear up the game.

Also, law suits are indeed a good idea. I know for a fact i'll continue to donate money into Ijji so they can continue the already amazing service they have. Hopefully these issues can be resolved.

GM do read his post as he requested it.

My own response however:

A situation as such would arise:
"You hack and I'll report to get the Prems/Coins/Exp!"
Hacker: "Ok ok, and then I'll make another account and report it also!"
"Good good we'll get the stuff from ijji! Haha!"

Ok the text was immature but there's your incentive gone wrong. People will always take advantages. I work at a Grocery store and we have a membership plan where if you have our card you get a discount. But if you don't you don't get the discount. Constant comment, "Well you have one, scan yours you work here." which I cannot because I have employ discounts on my card, which would be like an employee for everyone. The "Benefits" people try to get.

Happens everywhere. But keep the ideas rolling! No idea is bad, just needs to be worked on.

Hope I have helped.

[tailsy]

i really regret saying this but i agree with ijji here, they need to clamp down though making it more serious if somone hacks cause "ohhh my an ip ban *changes ip* *hacks in gunz*

they need to make a more serious and aggressive appearance to hackers cause nobody worries at all i mean look at the hack maps "made by ....." nobody thinks they will get banned they need to make a scary ijji image agianbt hackers;)

[fire23150]

yes Gm_sking about the game guard issue dont take it off becaause noobs dont have the miniuim requirements for gunz 2Ghz processor and 512mb ram and a 128mb video card(i hav 1)

[skeetskeet]

IP bann people that are caught hacking

[fire23150]

rofl theres so many hackers lol i hav a dymanic Ip but i dont hack i dont want to be randomly banned when i wake up 6:00AM to find out im Ip banned

[Exe626]

Well, well, well. People still say hackers can't be stopped, eh? I suggest you use Linux, and switch the games engine to something a bit more secure, theres too many holes as of now, a blind man could see that. Why do I suggest using Linux? Probably the most secure thing you will ever find in the existence of the computer.

[Terranwolf]

Well, well, well. People still say hackers can't be stopped, eh? I suggest you use Linux, and switch the games engine to something a bit more secure, theres too many holes as of now, a blind man could see that. Why do I suggest using Linux? Probably the most secure thing you will ever find in the existence of the computer.

That's a blind statement; this has nothing to do with Linux.

[Kerim]

I think it would be near impossible to get rid of ALL the hackers, but GMs are doing ok. I think people using so-called "Anti-Hacks" should be banned as well. I saw some one who explained it to me. Legal action would stop majority of hackers, but ijji doesn't collect nearly enough information to find some one without violating their privacy. Some people may call hackers stupid for hacking, but they take pre-cautions. I had a friend who used to play GunZ and he hacked. He said he got hacks from some other forum, but he didn't give me a name. He told me everything the other people said to do; Fake but believable name; False residence etc. In turn, ijji could take a big legal blow. I want to point out one flaw in MagicEy's idea of fining hackers. Well they wouldn't be able to just fine them out of the blue, they'd have to get SOMETHING from the police. They'd also have to make sure that it is visible in the Terms and Conditions. Of course people don't always read those so there'd be a problem there...

MagicEy is right though, Private Servers should be priority number one, hackers being second.

[tailsy]

IP bann people that are caught hacking

they do, they just change there ip after

[MagicEy]

they do, they just change there ip after
Not everyone can do that though. Plus it's one more step to making a new account.

[Agelu]

Stop trolling the topic saying "this thread wont change a thing sking" "gunz is going to die anyway" etc etc blah blah.

He is trying to change others. And some will. Few as they may be, but I know some will. And a hacker or harasser less, is one annoyance less. And just as it adds up, it also substracts.

As I Leader of a extremely successful community that has lasted for more than a 1/3 of year without remakes, Neptune Online; I well know what SKiNG means, and his frustration, because I have faced it countless times, and I still do.

But with patience, perseverance, diplomatic approaches and the support of my followers I have been able to get out of many problems and backstabs of people. Because we Nepts recruit people, not just characters.

If I could made it to Admin of some sort in GunZ, I know I would be useful. I always try the pacifist approach, forgiving, etc., and using good judgement, being more rational than emotional.

The bad thing? I don't see how I could become one. So I really can't help at all, as much as I want to.

There are many other players that have many useful qualities, and they really want to get rid of the scum in this game.

But what we can do?

[tailsy]

GIVEOUT THE HARDWARE BANS! i say

[^1^1]

IP bans are to easy to get around.

Ban MAC adresses or Hardware / Hardware serial numbers.

MAC is a bit harder (As far as I know) to change then IP adress.

If they would ban Hardware / Hardware serial numbers it would take a reformat to play again. (Implement a system to do this and I'd say infuxingcredable).


Also

Swappers have it to easy it should start with a 1 week ban and then a month ban.

[Exe626]

That's a blind statement; this has nothing to do with Linux.

When you use Linux as a 'protection wall' to keep the hackers from accessing the server, the rate of hackers drops by 80%(IMO, because they aren't hackers, script kiddies.)

[FluffyWolf2]

yes Gm_sking about the game guard issue dont take it off becaause noobs dont have the miniuim requirements for gunz 2Ghz processor and 512mb ram and a 128mb video card(i hav 1)

Please only state truths:
Link: http://game.ijji.com/download.nhn?m=arcade&gameId=u_gunz

Minimum:
CPU Pentium III 500MHz
Graphics Card Direct3D 9.0 Compatible(Riva TNT)
DirectX DirectX 9.0c or higher
Memory 256MB

Recommended:
CPU Pentium III 800MHz or higher
Graphics Card GeForce 4 MX or higher
DirectX DirectX 9.0c or higher
Memory 512MB or higher

Yes, it will run on minimum just fine. Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, because yes I have a new laptop, but you can guess what I was playing on before I got it. ^.^

Stop trolling the topic saying "this thread wont change a thing sking" "gunz is going to die anyway" etc etc blah blah.

He is trying to change others. And some will. Few as they may be, but I know some will. And a hacker or harasser less, is one annoyance less. And just as it adds up, it also substracts.

As I Leader of a extremely successful community that has lasted for more than a 1/3 of year without remakes, Neptune Online; I well know what SKiNG means, and his frustration, because I have faced it countless times, and I still do.

But with patience, perseverance, diplomatic approaches and the support of my followers I have been able to get out of many problems and backstabs of people. Because we Nepts recruit people, not just characters.

If I could made it to Admin of some sort in GunZ, I know I would be useful. I always try the pacifist approach, forgiving, etc., and using good judgement, being more rational than emotional.

The bad thing? I don't see how I could become one. So I really can't help at all, as much as I want to.

There are many other players that have many useful qualities, and they really want to get rid of the scum in this game.

But what we can do?

Good Post. Stop Trolling +rep.

[Terranwolf]

When you use Linux as a 'protection wall' to keep the hackers from accessing the server, the rate of hackers drops by 80%(IMO, because they aren't hackers, script kiddies.)

The hacks hardly have anything to do with accessing the server.

[tailsy]

The hacks hardly have anything to do with accessing the server.

he means it stops the hackers getting in the game

[Terranwolf]

he means it stops the hackers getting in the game

Yeah, but these hacks practically OS independant. (Not the clients, though. I'm talking about the connection.)

[Exe626]

Most games use it to hold the server file(s), so that hack/hackers cannot access them to exploit their game.

[Terranwolf]

Most games use it to hold the server file(s), so that hack/hackers cannot access them to exploit their game.

No offence, but please stop trying to argue a lost cause. =\
1) that's not how they are exploiting
2) the hacks have to do with packets, not stealing code.

[Exe626]

If this game is so un protected, that I could use a packet editor to do what I please. I just found out why hacks come out so often.

[ryouko]

Well, I do my part in helping Ijji by reporting hackers. And, i like REALY don't want gunz to close:
1)I have like 300$ on it
2)I LOVE GUNZ AND ILL BE BORED!
3)I'll miss all my freinds.

But, i do think,. that ijji shold give Mod powers to people, they can trust, some1 that never had any problems with ijji with anything, Beacause, like Sking said 3 GMs for 10 server, would be realy hard finding hackers like that.

[Kerim]

Personally, I think GunZ closing would be a good thing for me. I'm tempted to un-install my game every time I turn it on.

[oioi]

You know the only reason 99% of the Gunz population even thought about using Game Gaurd disablers was to get rid of the lag that GG caused. I KNOW that GG is the reason why so many people frame lag, so me so much that they are unable to even play. How do I know? Simple: I can play EVERY other Gunz with virtually NO fps lag, but once I hope on Ijji Gunz, it becomes unbearable. The same lag is present in Soldier Front.

My advice Sking - Alert the higher ups about how miserable Game Gaurd is making our Gunz community.

[fire23150]

Hey why dont u meet the miniuim requreiment for gunz??? if u do gunz should work fine with out lag....... 128mb video card and 512mb ram =no lag in gunz

[K3v1N]

Hey why dont u meet the miniuim requreiment for gunz??? if u do gunz should work fine with out lag....... 128mb video card and 512mb ram =no lag in gunz

Obviously you are wrong.

[Exe626]

Or get the hackers to do something useful, pwn gameguard.

[MagicEy]

You know the only reason 99% of the Gunz population even thought about using Game Gaurd disablers was to get rid of the lag that GG caused. I KNOW that GG is the reason why so many people frame lag, so me so much that they are unable to even play. How do I know? Simple: I can play EVERY other Gunz with virtually NO fps lag, but once I hope on Ijji Gunz, it becomes unbearable. The same lag is present in Soldier Front.

My advice Sking - Alert the higher ups about how miserable Game Gaurd is making our Gunz community.
I don't think it should go, I think it should only scan for hacks when Gunz is opened up and closed(this includes alt + tabbing out). It should get rid of some lag instead of it scanning the entire time it's up.

[fire23150]

Obviously you are wrong.

wow ima post a guide to how to set up virtual memory to give gamrguard a little bit more ram for it to operate an dcuase less lag

[MagicEy]

wow ima post a guide to how to set up virtual memory to give gamrguard a little bit more ram for it to operate an dcuase less lag

Please do. :) I'm tired of seeing those threads. :D

[Agelu]

Please consider this approach. It is viable, and could be extremely useful.



This is to make sure that banned players stay banned. It would be more efective of what you may think. One of the main problems of hackers, swappers, harassers is that they keep coming back and converting other players to their cause.

Implement in ijji as a REQUIREMENT to join a cell phone number. A SMS should be sent to such number with a code of activation. With that code, the user activates the account.

Benefits: unless a certain hacker, harasser, swapper etc. wants to buy a new cell phone or a cell phone chip every time he wants to get in again, he won't be able to create a new account. Sure, he could borrow a cell phone from a friend, parents, and the like; but their possibilities will be SEVERELY disminished. Much more if their friends that have cell phones play GunZ too. They won't share.

This system CAN work even for international cell phones. And a SMS service like this is not expensive.

Some sites in the Internet that require registration use this method to foil multi-account creation. It is a terrific way to do so.

Sure... some people will get around this, someway, somehow. But MOST will get caught. Rest assured.

[Terranwolf]

Please consider this approach. It is viable, and could be extremely useful.



This is to make sure that banned players stay banned. It would be more efective of what you may think. One of the main problems of hackers, swappers, harassers is that they keep coming back and converting other players to their cause.

Implement in ijji as a REQUIREMENT to join a cell phone number. A SMS should be sent to such number with a code of activation. With that code, the user activates the account.

Benefits: unless a certain hacker, harasser, swapper etc. wants to buy a new cell phone or a cell phone chip every time he wants to get in again, he won't be able to create a new account. Sure, he could borrow a cell phone from a friend, parents, and the like; but their possibilities will be SEVERELY disminished. Much more if their friends that have cell phones play GunZ too. They won't share.

This system CAN work even for international cell phones. And a SMS service like this is not expensive.

Some sites in the Internet that require registration use this method to foil multi-account creation. It is a terrific way to do so.

Sure... some people will get around this, someway, somehow. But MOST will get caught. Rest assured.


It's possible, but it'd probably cost both ijji and the users, depending on the plans.
Also, please keep in mind that not everyone uses a cellphone.


wow ima post a guide to how to set up virtual memory to give gamrguard a little bit more ram for it to operate an dcuase less lag

Virtual memory is suicidal to your HDD / flash drive.

[p0l4rmaggie]

Please consider this approach. It is viable, and could be extremely useful.



This is to make sure that banned players stay banned. It would be more efective of what you may think. One of the main problems of hackers, swappers, harassers is that they keep coming back and converting other players to their cause.

Implement in ijji as a REQUIREMENT to join a cell phone number. A SMS should be sent to such number with a code of activation. With that code, the user activates the account.

Benefits: unless a certain hacker, harasser, swapper etc. wants to buy a new cell phone or a cell phone chip every time he wants to get in again, he won't be able to create a new account. Sure, he could borrow a cell phone from a friend, parents, and the like; but their possibilities will be SEVERELY disminished. Much more if their friends that have cell phones play GunZ too. They won't share.

This system CAN work even for international cell phones. And a SMS service like this is not expensive.

Some sites in the Internet that require registration use this method to foil multi-account creation. It is a terrific way to do so.

Sure... some people will get around this, someway, somehow. But MOST will get caught. Rest assured.



Good idea, I never heard/thought of this before, but it sounds like it would really stop 95% of the current "hackers".

That or hire one yourselves, I'm sure any decent hacker would know exactly what to do to make the game almost impossible to hack in.

[UzumakiX]

its a good idea but using a regular home phone might be better, only one per house hold. Whereas a cell phone is only limited by the number of people in a family.

[Lana]

I love you GM_SKiNG =)
=P =P

[~AznX~]

@Agelu.

What happens to 13-year olds who dont have cell phones, asked ~AznX~?

Doomed to a life without GunZ?

[Ian H.]

Good idea, I never heard/thought of this before, but it sounds like it would really stop 95% of the current "hackers".

That or hire one yourselves, I'm sure any decent hacker would know exactly what to do to make the game almost impossible to hack in.

Please remember that not everyone has a cell-phone (including adults). KGunz has a better way for this- using the KSSN. Too bad not everyone can use an SSN. Even in the USA, not many even want to ever use their SSN for the fear of identity theft. I would think banning IP Ranges would be a better idea. Then again, I believe that Ijji may be contacting ISPs for bans.

A lot of the "hackers" aka script kiddies are 15 and under, and they do not realise how big of a hole they are digging themselves into. Hacking is a very serious offense.

[UzumakiX]

@Agelu.

What happens to 13-year olds who dont have cell phones, asked ~AznX~?

Doomed to a life without GunZ?

umm im 13 and i have a cellphone =.=. Anyways, like i said homephoning could be better, only one per household. A cell phone isnt limited by how many houses you have ( and i doubt spoiled millionare kids with like 3 houses hack gunz -.-), so a hacker could as his brother,sister,mom, dad for there cellphones.

[Exe626]

Uzamaki, you liar. I have to home phone numbers(one upstairs and one down) beat that. Also, I have a cell phone, both my brothers do, my sister does, my mom does, I don't know about my dad(I haven't seen him in about 5 years), MY grandma does, all 3 of my cousins do.. The list continues with friends. Tell me who this is stopping?

[UzumakiX]

Uzamaki, you liar. I have to home phone numbers(one upstairs and one down) beat that. Also, I have a cell phone, both my brothers do, my sister does, my mom does, I don't know about my dad(I haven't seen him in about 5 years), MY grandma does, all 3 of my cousins do.. The list continues with friends. Tell me who this is stopping?

You misinterpreted me. It doesnt matter how many actual phones you have in your house, they are all connected by the same line. So if ijji bans that telephone number, all the phones in your house, dont care if you had like 700; are all disabled from getting you to play gunz if your a hacker. im suggesting the home phone replacement BECAUSE the cell phone idea is severly flawed.AND my name is spelled uzumaki -.-

[Exe626]

Fine uzzymakiiii, Tell me how you can only have 1 home phone number? I didn't say I only had 2 phones, there is 2, but with 2 different numbers.. GAWRSH.

[p0l4rmaggie]

Fine uzzymakiiii, Tell me how you can only have 1 home phone number? I didn't say I only had 2 phones, there is 2, but with 2 different numbers.. GAWRSH.

Great, so what, you'd hack with the first, get banned and then risk your LAST CHANCE OF PLAYING?

[Agelu]

its a good idea but using a regular home phone might be better, only one per house hold. Whereas a cell phone is only limited by the number of people in a family.

Home phones can't recive SMS.



Of course the cell phone idea isn't perfect. There is no "perfect solution" to many of the problems in the Internet, because there is too many dedicated people without a life that enjoy taking things down.

Not everyone has a cell phone of course. But since it would drastically improve the service, it should be something to consider. Yes, it would cost some money for ijji, but as SKiNG well put, since GMs would be less occupied with halting harassers, they would do something more useful, therefore being more productive in other areas.

But it is an idea to consider, at least. And I'm trying to help, unlike some of here that just come to complain.



Also, I forgot to rate the thread.

Rated as 5 - Excellent.

[VietBurnage]

We all know by now almost every online massivly played online game is hacked (Gunbound with aimbots, Maplestory with jump hack, fly hack, afk leveling hacks, Runescape with autofighters and such). This may be a big problem for some big online gaming companies such as GunZ. Here is a chain of events:

1. Hackers go to many sites that offer hacking tools.
2. Hackers will install the program and run it.
3. Hackers will cause unfair advantages in the game (in this case hacked rooms in GunZ and powerleveling):no:
4. Hackers will cause many legit online game players (in this case, its GunZ) to begin to complain about them and lose interest since the game is infested.:no:

Now, their are 2 split paths, here is the worst one:

1. Many players will quit the game.:no:
2. Since players quit the games, most online gaming companies that make profit from selling in-game items will go broke.:no:
3. The online game will be forced to shut down until further notice.:no:
4. If the online game is not fixed, the whole company with all their games will crash.:no:
5. End of story; all the hard work of designing games, working on updates, paying people will all be in vain!




Back to GunZ
For everyone who has maybe enjoyed the game and has bought in-game items from cash shops; would you want hackers to destroy a community of players? Here is what maybe will happen to yourself if you are stressed with them and decide to quit:

1. If you had become a pro and is a well known player, it will dissapear.:no:
2. If you have purchased cash items, they will be gone.:no:
3. All the friends and connections you have made online will be gone.:no:

[IAmWaryas]

Well, well, well. People still say hackers can't be stopped, eh? I suggest you use Linux, and switch the games engine to something a bit more secure, theres too many holes as of now, a blind man could see that. Why do I suggest using Linux? Probably the most secure thing you will ever find in the existence of the computer.

I ****************ing lol'd, this has nothing to do with the OS.

[IAmWaryas]

You can't stop us from hacking the game, the whole structure of the game is already reversed so each time you try to add a security/patch, we can see exactly the thing you changed.
This is actually a private hack but i wonder what you will do if a replay editor gets released ...

[Exe626]

Too bad your not waryas, and you have no clue what your talking about.

[Kiedo]

He is Waryas and he gave me +rep once so I know.

[IAmWaryas]

Yes i am, and i think you're the one who doesn't have a clue of what really Linux is.
I used linux for years, i started coding on it, and gunz hacking as nothing to do with OS.

[Neo_Sora]

ijji admins just don't understand.
That's about all there is to say.

[Erkki-Pekka]

I just noticed this post and it's 11 pages long so this ide might be there already, but can you make moderators? Trusted players who would have power to kick afk players from rooms, ban temporarily hackers and cheaters so GMs could check the cheater and give perm ban or unban if it was ban for no reason. If someone would abuse this mod part, just take his powers off... Trusted players you can find from forums, players who help others and are online alot. Just an idea...

[Sai]

I was about to say the same thing. I think of it as the appointed game mods being like little judges and they have to answer, pay homage, worship the Supreme court judges (GMs) which in turn answer to the Ubers, aka ijji folk. More mods = less cheaters and spammers, especially since they're on more often.

[efreym]

Well thanks for all the GMs whose working really hard, We appreciate all your work. I know it's hard but gunZ should recruite GMs that only focus on GunZ alone. It's better this way than having GMs maintaining all other ijji games.

You know what GMs, if you only have a system that can automatically kick players that spike to200+ ping, laggers will be out of the game, and hackers too since they also spike high when they hack. Or just ban them immidiately than jus giving them warnings. Another thing is, why do GunZ have so much servers? Other servers only have few people in it, so why not just make it less so it's easier for everyone to keep moving from server to server.

^_^

[Ian H.]

Home phones can't recive SMS.



Of course the cell phone idea isn't perfect. There is no "perfect solution" to many of the problems in the Internet, because there is too many dedicated people without a life that enjoy taking things down.

Not everyone has a cell phone of course. But since it would drastically improve the service, it should be something to consider. Yes, it would cost some money for ijji, but as SKiNG well put, since GMs would be less occupied with halting harassers, they would do something more useful, therefore being more productive in other areas.

But it is an idea to consider, at least. And I'm trying to help, unlike some of here that just come to complain.



Also, I forgot to rate the thread.

Rated as 5 - Excellent.

What if the user had to contact a special answering machine for ijji in which you said the verification codes given upon registration? Anyways, this is just getting to be too complicated.

[fire23150]

It's possible, but it'd probably cost both ijji and the users, depending on the plans.
Also, please keep in mind that not everyone uses a cellphone.




Virtual memory is suicidal to your HDD / flash drive.

ok i wont rofl ok i know some ppl wont give up 1-3gb space to hav no lag

[ChickenGod]

Why not try to file lawsuits at the sites that are providing the hacks? ijji and nexon could both team up and try to shut down websites. I remember when I played counter-strike they filed a lawsuit at a website and most of its hackers disappeared. Why? Because most hackers are just leeching or using someone elses public hacks. They don't waste their time making hacks. Sure there will still be the private ones but after they get banned put in the SMS system like someone else said. Thats just my thought.

----- is the company that provides Maplestory.

places like ---------- and ----------- are places most hackers get their hacks from.

instead of frantically trying to patch the game, why not try to not let them get the hacks in the first place?


hope you read this.


thanks for servicing GunZ and i know ijji is working really hard


have a nice day!

[Oddism]

Why not try to file lawsuits at the sites that are providing the hacks? ijji and nexon could both team up and try to shut down websites. I remember when I played counter-strike they filed a lawsuit at a website and most of its hackers disappeared. Why? Because most hackers are just leeching or using someone elses public hacks. They don't waste their time making hacks. Sure there will still be the private ones but after they get banned put in the SMS system like someone else said. Thats just my thought.

------ is the company that provides Maplestory.

places like ------------ and ------------ are places most hackers get their hacks from.

instead of frantically trying to patch the game, why not try to not let them get the hacks in the first place?


hope you read this.


thanks for servicing GunZ and i know ijji is working really hard


have a nice day!


There are so many hacking websites out there, I'm not saying your idea sucks but i know 5 websites (not including the ones you listed) and I dont even hack, and anyway once a website is closed, what stops people creating new ones. Also even if there is just 1 website left with hacks on it word will spread so quickly of the websites adress.

Its like if your at school and somone find a new proxy server or site...:xd:



...But then again this idea could stop hackers and so should be taken into consideration.:D :D

[ChickenGod]

Yes I know there are soo many but its worth a try i guess :P. Wouldn't it take a while to re upload all the hacks again? I guess it would buy ijji more time.

[oioi]

Hey why dont u meet the miniuim requreiment for gunz??? if u do gunz should work fine with out lag....... 128mb video card and 512mb ram =no lag in gunz

Try 1gb ram + 256 mb video card + no unneeded processes running the background. Trust me, I can run ANY other Gunz with no noticable fps lag. It's Ijji's Game Guard.


wow ima post a guide to how to set up virtual memory to give gamrguard a little bit more ram for it to operate an dcuase less lag

lol adjusting your page filing won't make Gunz run any smoother
Virtual memory is slower then physical memory, so it won't help you in the slightest.

[Oddism]

Yes I know there are soo many but its worth a try i guess :P. Wouldn't it take a while to re upload all the hacks again? I guess it would buy ijji more time.

I suppose it could be worth a try... anything to get rid of hackers :busted: :king: :busted: :king: :busted:

[R0unin]

i luv u GMS

[Oddism]

Omg please close this post it is being flooded so bad, whats wrong with sking doing this post... atleast he tries unlike you lot who just argue over the best way to stop hackers...?

When to tell the truth half of you know nothing.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:





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[Oddism]

Hi all, there are a few things I wanted to get off my chest.

In the past several months, there have been several hacks plaguing our GunZ service. These hacks include illegal rooms, aimbots, mplvl, and game guard disablers/emulators. Taking action on countless abusive users every week is simply not enough. We as a community can not tolerate this type of behavior, and while we try our best to combat these issues, it feels like a never ending struggle.

Each day, precious energy, time and money are used to keep order in this community. These are resources that could be better spent on improving Gunz and creating new and fresh content to give the community what it wants the most. While we will always devote ourselves to enforcing rules and maintaining a good gaming community, an excessive amount of disruption shifts our focus away from making this happen.

Having been part of the gaming industry for several years, I’ve seen tough decisions made on games that leave users and others without a game into which they’ve put so much time or for which they've waited so anxiously to release. With the current climate of the GunZ service, I think that without a change in the culture of cheating and exploiting the service and other users, the GunZ service won’t be able to improve. It would become something so stale that may eventually lead to the discontinuance of our GunZ service.

Prior to Friday's patch, I had prepared a very important message about the future of GunZ. It was something that everyone in the community would have love to discuss and eventually see come to reality. Especially since it involved the input of the community spawning from the "Things you would like to see improved on" thread. However, with recent events, I decided to put this discussion on hold.

An online gaming community can not thrive and please its users while managing the behavior of a select few who intend to ruin the enjoyment of the legitimate majority. I hope through this message we can rise above these problems and focus more on taking a wonderful free game to another level.

Those of you who continue to aid our service and provide replays of absusive users, we can't not thank you enough. Without you, our community would not survive.

-GM_SKiNG



You have huge debates over that?!?!?!?!?

WTF

God please get lives =] :king:

[yusaku]

I got a question for you, GM, when is the new Prison Quest map going to be released?

My clan is expecting for so much time, cause once i read it was going to be released on July.
So can you tell us the day its going to be released?

thank you very much. GM

[Exe626]

Being released in July is a rumor sent around by crazed fans. MAIET them selves said there is not set release time because they are very busy with other things, so this may have to hold off.

[Shedow]

SKiNG, no offence bro, but ijjiGunZ is ruined. Once Dexgod started selling Veldi that ruined GunZ. One buyer one day is going to be like, you know what I hate GunZ and release it. What is Veldi? Veldi is a hack that is auto-updating, so SKiNG how this works, it uses signatures in the adresses so every patch you guys make, is just searched for using the original adresses < signatures, and is found so basically they have the new adresses making it possible for the hack to work in the new patch.

How do I know this? Because my good friend in real life has a copy of Veldi without being bought.

You couldn't be more wrong, it emulates gunz protocol at the lowest level possible. Veldi needs no addresses. As to this bot, i don't know, it could be that dexgod will stop updating it soon, or so i've heard.

[Sirius]

Maybe patrol clan war 1 some you'll find plenty of hackers.

[Ian H.]

Being released in July is a rumor sent around by crazed fans. MAIET them selves said there is not set release time because they are very busy with other things, so this may have to hold off.

In summer of 07 we will implement the first ever God Monster Boss
they tuned for the new quest update this month! ^ that statement was back when the Xfire dev chat was held in Feb.

[MikeWhite]

That made my day.

Proxys?Ding ding
Most of the coders got dynamic IPs?ding ding!

Filling law suits?Won't do anything.
I can imagine that

"your chargues are :
hacking a videogame,you got to..er...community work for 1 day
case closed
*on mind*:
wht the ****************?Hacking a videogame,whats internet these days?"

OH MAN CRY!

Apart from that,its a pretty stable post you got there.


Hacking in to a game can get you sued for $1000 and even get you jail time... Where are you living?

[Terranwolf]

I got a question for you, GM, when is the new Prison Quest map going to be released?

My clan is expecting for so much time, cause once i read it was going to be released on July.
So can you tell us the day its going to be released?

thank you very much. GM

4. Upcoming patch

For the coming update this summer we are planning to add a new quest map called “Prison”. In the original plan, the “Kobold” race lives in the Prison map, but the design of the Kobold looks more like a lizard than a dog, so we are planning to change the name of this monster.

Also we are planning to include our very first God-level monster, Palmpow, which we’ve mentioned for sometime. Currently we need to rebuild all these stages again, so it is rather difficult to estimate a precise update time. Palmpow is like a bonus stage so we are not going to give away the requirements for stage entrance. In the Palmpow stage, there are going to be two boss monsters.

That is all for now!
Venister

From here (http://www.gunzfactor.com/forums/f46/80789-maiet_gunz_developer_comments_new_updates.html).

[Ur Alllame]

I have read almost all of these posts in this thread.

GM_SKiNG:

How many years of on-line Internet Gaming management do you have?

Are you under 35 years of age, perhaps? No matter;

There are a few users who have actually hit the nail on the head!

You need 24/7 volunteers with the ability to monitor, advise, and guide, and foremost kick users, delete hacked rooms, etc.

But what the heck do "we" know!

I am done! IJJI and GUNZ will probably end up as you stated, and that is sad, but when you don't listen to your users, or model sucess or rather pattern any venture after similar sucessful ventures, and try a NEW way, Guess What? Your right!

Your Terms of Service say it all!

IJJI will do it there way, GOOD LUCK!

[BabyPiggy]

ermm.. y dont we just have a hacking sever for ppl who wants to use hax. so then u wouldnt need to make patchese and stuff. O.O if they obey it.

[MagicEy]

ermm.. y dont we just have a hacking sever for ppl who wants to use hax. so then u wouldnt need to make patchese and stuff. O.O if they obey it.

That's just inviting hackers, which is something we do not want to do. We want the hackers off.

[own__ed]

HDD bans would be a thing to look into though, they are actually illegal for sure in my country, not sure about anywhere else.

Mods would be a good thign also, games like runescape needed a Mod system and it is working well for them, if a player abuses his Modship it is revoked, try it Sking it may be the thing you are looking for, by the sounds of it you GMs need some help. 75% of the community know you do your best, its just the rest that always seem to complain, and they probably use 3rd party programs anyway >.>

[ToxicNavy]

These are just suggestions made by previous posts
1. Use hardware bans (recommended)
2. Change the lagging GameGuard (recommended)
3. Sue hackers (recommended)
4. File a lawsuit on hacking sites. (recommended)
5. Make a hacking server. (not recommended).
The recommended and not is just my opinion btw.

[Ur Alllame]

These are just suggestions made by previous posts
1. Use hardware bans (recommended)
2. Change the lagging GameGuard (recommended)
3. Sue hackers (recommended)
4. File a lawsuit on hacking sites. (recommended)
5. Make a hacking server. (not recommended).
The recommended and not is just my opinion btw.

First of all IJJI does not want any help!
They are a South Korean based company now operating in the U.S!
They are running their company with a South Korean mind set, which won't cut it in the U.S.

Next do some research on NHN corporation; they are South Korea' Yahoo, that found a niche into the gaming industry in South Korea.

They do not want "outsiders", namely persons in the U.S. to be of influence in their affairs, and perhaps only employ just enough U.S. citizens to meet affirmative action initiatives! This is common practice for ANY Asian based company! They simply do not want outsiders, period.

You can not sue hackers, because this requires evidence beyond the shadow of a doubt, which IJJI would have a hard time proving to any judge or jury "what program" was specifically used in said hacking. Not to mention this opening IJJI (NHN) up to a possible class action lawsuit they would loose.

Look if the U.S. DOJ can sue Microsoft and win, trust me, some good law firms could rip NHN to shreds!

You cannot sue "hacking sites" or forums, this violates freedom of speech or opinion, these sites do not tell you to go use what their users post to hack whatever, and just like IJJI, have a Terms of Service which will hold up in just about any U.S. court, so this is MOOT!

IJJI will not use volunteer MODS because they essentially do not trust outsiders, but this is THE BEST IDEA!

Runescape is a perfect example, but NHN will not use such methods because, again this allows outsiders control of "their domain". You would have to really understand the Korean or for that matter most any Asian cultures to understand this.

Currently IJJI seems to think "their way" will work, and no one is going to change their minds!

I agree totally about 24/7 on-line mods, but I just don't think it will ever happen.

Sorry you are not dealing with an open minded company here.

WORD!

[Tastiie]

Well believe it or not, we are in-game, a lot. We only have 3 GMs available to be active in GunZ throughout the day. We're hidden about 75% of the time. Now with 10 servers and 11 channels in each server. It's very unlikely that someone will see us most of the time but we are there. Also remember that we have other games to moderate other than GunZ.

We are however working on getting a little help :)

Active through the day? If you don't mind GM, I'm going to stalk you

[Ur Alllame]

Tastiie,

Ya' know I never thought about it that way, Gee Whiz, they really have one heck of a staff to monitor all those users...WOW.

Not to mention the ENORMOUS staff they must employ to review Hackers...wow I am really impressed!

I also bet they NEVER make a mistake either.

I guess I am really out of place with my post......NOT!

Oh yeah they are "working in getting some help"

[Ur Alllame]

Get this!

As of right now there are 8,902 users on line; according to GM_SKiNG' post of three GM on at any given time, well lets see .........

Each GM only has 2,967.33 users to monitor, yeah I guess they are right, they are all over!


What a JOKE! :busted:

[Ian H.]

You need 24/7 volunteers with the ability to monitor, advise, and guide, and foremost kick users, delete hacked rooms, etc.
That would probably fail because most of the users that play gunz are too immature and would abuse their power.

[Kerim]

Well Ian you've got a point, grudges would ruin that, but the GMs should do what he's talking about! There shouldn't have to be "volunteers" to do GMs jobs.

[Ian H.]

Well Ian you've got a point, grudges would ruin that, but the GMs should do what he's talking about! There shouldn't have to be "volunteers" to do GMs jobs.

Guess they would be doing interviews! Haha

[Ur Alllame]

Ian,

The issue of how to get reliable Mods is really very easy:

First an age limitation; there are many Gunz players over 18.

Second an IT background; again not hard to find in older gamers.

Trust and honesty, and fairness, is what will keep the Moderator a Mod..period.

I will not say how I know, but companies other than Runscape, have done this VERY SUCESSFULLY.

How are the Mods compensated for their time, simple; perhaps IJJI coins, Prems., IJJI mouse pads, coffee cups, Tee Shirts...GOODIES!

I know how it's done, and it would be VERY EASY, but this goes back to my post regarding IJJI' origins, I doubt it will ever happen, and most likely as GM_SKiNG said Gunz may eventually fizzle out.

They are really bent on "hackers", and knowing the manpower they have, or rather lack of, they are most likely spending more time reading 13 to 15 year olds whining notes about hackers, than focusing on, or rather looking for a better way to do things. In my experience, IJJI is spending way too much time on this. You tell me how such a small staff can handle all of this reliably?

If there were 24/7 Mods, the problem would not be so bad. I personally know of a few users who have been banned, yet were not hackers, and IJJI sticks to its guns under it TOS, that essentially they can ban anyone for anything, they really don't need a reason. And in the few instances I have been aware of, the users were not given a specific reason, "they just violated the TOS" again causing a real lack of trust in a company that NHN really doesn't need.
And no they did not have offensive screen names..so do they make new accounts, re-buy prems., NO most I know went back to playing Counter Strike Source, or Quake, or UT, and basically said “P_SS on IJJI”

Not exactly what U.S. citizens are used to in customer relations?

There are no checks and balances, no appeals or warning processes, what's even worse is the VULGAR spamming going on in the lobbies 24/7 unchecked. I mean some of it is really raunchy stuff.

It really isn't as difficult as it may seem. But rest assured I am very familiar with Asian culture, and they do not like outsiders in their affairs.

But alas....I feel they will do it their way, which may indeed cause its demise.

[Ur Alllame]

Just think...as of right now there are 15,193 players on-line! WOW

Lets see that's ONLY 5,064.33 players for each of the three GM' on line!


REAL CUSTOMER SERVICE!

You guys sure you aren't from the Ukraine ?

Oh...Oh..I know...NHN can't afford any more help, that Solid Gold Hummer the CEO bought and the New Tennis Court....'jus gotta cut back.......


And can you honestly think anyone TRUSTS IJJI (NHN)....... NOT!


Yeah I guess it might be a bit hard to find ANYONE of THOSE 3! I am so impressed!

[Nitesh]

Wow, you guys are morons. For one, if the CEO of the company buys a hummer IT WAS HIS OWN MONEY, you dumb@$$.I've never heard of a company just buying a huge SUV for it's employees. And another thing, you idiots should be grateful for what the GUnz GM has done. Can anyone of you program in Visual Basic, C++, Perl, Delphi, Haskel, etc... NO YOU CAN'T! SO what gives you the dang permission to yell at GMs that spent HOURS of making it a decent playing community when you a$$holesl just complain more and more. If you hate it that bad, QUIT. THIS is a FREE game, something they don't really have to do, if you don't realise that. This is their own decision. If they wanted they could pull Gunz off right now and all that you would have on ijji is gunbound, soldier front. Are you happy with that?? Do you really want to go play a private gunz. No, you don't so shhh and get a life before you accuse GMs of being lazy or stupid.

[Ur Alllame]

I have a Masters in Programming!

And you do not know me, or anything about me!

And don't say anything about "decent" after the garbage I logged for over four hours last night, and yes reported it.

YOU DON'T GET IT!

This has NOTHING to do with the GM's READ THE ENTIRE THREAD BEFORE OPENING MOUTH AND INSERTING FOOT!

[Terranwolf]

I have a Masters in Programming!

And you do not know me, or anything about me!

And don't say anything about "decent" after the garbage I logged for over four hours last night, and yes reported it.

YOU DON'T GET IT!

This has NOTHING to do with the GM's READ THE ENTIRE THREAD BEFORE OPENING MOUTH AND INSERTING FOOT!

If you had a masters in "Programming", why would you be here?

[BO0M]

If you had a masters in "Programming", why would you be here?

Lmao that's exactly what I was going to say...

Also, I disagree with the whole idea of player moderators. Even if they are 18, so what? I know plenty of reckless 18 year olds that would love to just go on a banning spree on one of these games. You can't trust anyone you meet over the internet, even if they appear to be nice at first they can EASILY backstab you.

[Toesrus]

player mods should not be given ban options if they are ever recruited. only able to kick people from games, disable chatting, and contact and report to GMs

[BO0M]

player mods should not be given ban options if they are ever recruited. only able to kick people from games, disable chatting, and contact and report to GMs

What's the point in even having them then? They would be almost exactly like regular users: we can kick people from rooms and we can report hackers (gunz_hacker@ijji.com).

Disabling chat...what would be the point of that? If they are hacking they don't need to talk to people >_<. If they are spamming it doesn't really matter, they get bored and stop eventually, and by then usually someone has sent a report in.

[Ian H.]

Ian,