View Full Version : what takes a better aim to use?
tailsy
08-21-2007, 10:51 AM
what takes a better aim to use? revolvers or shotgun?
shotgun fires 12 i think bullets spreaded randomly in an area
revs fire 2 bullets accuratly together
Went from 15-0 to 15-11 <___< Gah your aim is just T.T though I still believe it takes less aim to spam revs than shotguns =]
HeavenlyFlow
08-21-2007, 10:58 AM
Revs.
Obvious answer.
tailsy
08-21-2007, 11:02 AM
addiction seams to think otherwise
HeavenlyFlow
08-21-2007, 11:06 AM
A shotgun is spread. Spread expands.
A rev is one bullet precise. When you throw recoil in it's even HARDER to aim.
tailsy
08-21-2007, 11:08 AM
swapshot cancels out recoil though
Kerim
08-21-2007, 11:08 AM
That's an easy one. Revs.
HeavenlyFlow
08-21-2007, 11:12 AM
Not everyone swapshots.
p0l4rmaggie
08-21-2007, 11:16 AM
Aiming revs is harder HOWEVER if you SPAM rev shots, you can get 3 lucky hits and get a win on people way better than you.
HeavenlyFlow
08-21-2007, 11:18 AM
Aiming revs is harder HOWEVER if you SPAM rev shots, you can get 3 lucky hits and get a win on people way better than you.
Same with SG PB spamming.
tailsy
08-21-2007, 11:21 AM
if your swaping with revs and swaping with shotgun it just makes it as even as not swapping with either weapons, its just faster doesnt make it easier to aim
Twilightå…‰
08-21-2007, 11:24 AM
Better in terms of having all bullets hit?
EnhancedSpark
08-21-2007, 11:29 AM
>_____>
This is poll completely stupid. You forgot 50000 different factors you need to incorporate.
What type of rev and what type of breaker? Avenger or breaker? Cruelizon? Iron crow? Zaurus A? Zaurus B? Minic LimiteD? Minic 567? Minic 567 Limited XII? Phantom Cruise? Dynax?
Are you shooting it once? Twice? Swap shot? Reload Shot?
Are you moving?
Are you holding down shoot button?
How far is the target?
>____>
tailsy
08-21-2007, 11:32 AM
how about i just mean overall?
EnhancedSpark
08-21-2007, 11:32 AM
how about i just mean overall?
Then shotguns.
HeavenlyFlow
08-21-2007, 11:34 AM
You're whack.
Aiming a shotgun is ezpz.
tailsy
08-21-2007, 11:34 AM
You're whack.
Aiming a shotgun is ezpz.
aye very true, and if someone laggs revs are almost impossible
Addiction
08-21-2007, 11:37 AM
Ok, I'm gunna tell you why its harder to aim with a shotgun.
Take the final 2 revs(50 and 46 dmg) and take the 2 highest lvl breakers(7 and 8 dmg per pellet)
Me and Tailsy had 50 ping.
Tailsy shot revs twice every time he shot, basically spamming the revs. He didn't hit much, yet only 3 shots and I was low red. Medium range, 9/10 of my shots hit(Medium range, so no PB). 3/10 of Tailsy's shots hit. Tailsy won.
Also: You say shotguns spread? Yes, but... At long range, of course they will! Up close they do not. Revs? Spam them just ahead(basically spam leadshot) and they're dead. Not much aim. Shotguns are harder to aim. Because you have to hit fast accurate just as much as revs.
Discuss.
@PS, you know how I play, I'm evasive and accurate. Tailsy spams swapshot yes, but has pretty good aim.
EnhancedSpark
08-21-2007, 11:38 AM
aye very true, and if someone laggs revs are almost impossible
Like I said, depends on the factors...
In overall, breakers and IronCrow/Iris Shotgun (not Cruelizon) have control ability 60
In overall, all the revs together, have control ability 69.5
Meaning, revs will spread more than shotguns and go off target more so you can get lucky and hit them by actually missing the target you wanna hit. Shotguns however, you have to hit your spot.
Ping (lag) is ANOTHER factor of aim.
Distance (In map, not irl) is a GIGANTIC factor.
Sadly, this poll / thread PHAILS.
HeavenlyFlow
08-21-2007, 11:39 AM
You phail really.
I can't kill anyone with revs.
Addiction
08-21-2007, 11:39 AM
Like I said, depends on the factors...
In overall, breakers and IronCrow/Iris Shotgun (not Cruelizon) have control ability 60
In overall, all the revs together, have control ability 69.5
Meaning, revs will spread more than shotguns and go off target more so you can get lucky and hit them by actually missing the target you wanna hit. Shotguns however, you have to hit your spot.
Ping (lag) is ANOTHER factor of aim.
Distance (In map, not irl) is a GIGANTIC factor.
Sadly, this poll / thread PHAILS.
No it doesn't. Most people say shotguns take no aim. We need to say why it does.
Ok, I'm gunna tell you why its harder to aim with a shotgun.
Take the final 2 revs(50 and 46 dmg) and take the 2 highest lvl breakers(7 and 8 dmg per pellet)
Me and Tailsy had 50 ping.
Tailsy shot revs twice every time he shot, basically spamming the revs. He didn't hit much, yet only 3 shots and I was low red. Medium range, 9/10 of my shots hit(Medium range, so no PB). 3/10 of Tailsy's shots hit. Tailsy won.
Also: You say shotguns spread? Yes, but... At long range, of course they will! Up close they do not. Revs? Spam them just ahead(basically spam leadshot) and they're dead. Not much aim. Shotguns are harder to aim. Because you have to hit fast accurate just as much as revs.
Discuss.
@PS, you know how I play, I'm evasive and accurate. Tailsy spams swapshot yes, but has pretty good aim.
mogshaz
08-21-2007, 11:40 AM
aye very true, and if someone laggs revs are almost impossible
which is exactly why it takes better AIM to use revolvers. you can shoot a shotgun and hit someone who you can't even see or are not Aiming at easily because of lag.
tailsy
08-21-2007, 11:40 AM
Ok, I'm gunna tell you why its harder to aim with a shotgun.
Take the final 2 revs(50 and 46 dmg) and take the 2 highest lvl breakers(7 and 8 dmg per pellet)
Me and Tailsy had 50 ping.
Tailsy shot revs twice every time he shot, basically spamming the revs. He didn't hit much, yet only 3 shots and I was low red. Medium range, 9/10 of my shots hit(Medium range, so no PB). 3/10 of Tailsy's shots hit. Tailsy won.
Also: You say shotguns spread? Yes, but... At long range, of course they will! Up close they do not. Revs? Spam them just ahead(basically spam leadshot) and they're dead. Not much aim. Shotguns are harder to aim. Because you have to hit fast accurate just as much as revs.
Discuss.
@PS, you know how I play, I'm evasive and accurate. Tailsy spams swapshot yes, but has pretty good aim.
so basicly its harder to aim with revs?
EnhancedSpark
08-21-2007, 11:41 AM
You phail really.
I can't kill anyone with revs.
That's because you're shotgun minded.
Addiction
08-21-2007, 11:42 AM
which is exactly why it takes better AIM to use revolvers. you can shoot a shotgun and hit someone who you can't even see or are not Aiming at easily because of lag.
Wanna bet? Test it. Its harder to aim with shotguns. People say shotguns are overpowered. Orly? "Aim is ezpz" it may say hit, but only 1 pellet probably hit, add in the factor of 50/50 ap/hp dmg, and with a breaker that's 4 dmg to hp per hit.
HeavenlyFlow
08-21-2007, 11:42 AM
I tried using revs for a month.
Hard.
EnhancedSpark
08-21-2007, 11:43 AM
Like I said, depends on the factors...
In overall, breakers and IronCrow/Iris Shotgun (not Cruelizon) have control ability 60
In overall, all the revs together, have control ability 69.5
Meaning, revs will spread more than shotguns and go off target more so you can get lucky and hit them by actually missing the target you wanna hit. Shotguns however, you have to hit your spot.
Ping (lag) is ANOTHER factor of aim.
Distance (In map, not irl) is a GIGANTIC factor.
Sadly, this poll / thread PHAILS.
This girl speaks truth.
tailsy
08-21-2007, 11:44 AM
I tried using revs for a month.
Hard.
yes, very hard but i learned:)
HeavenlyFlow
08-21-2007, 11:45 AM
Wanna bet? Test it. Its harder to aim with shotguns. People say shotguns are overpowered. Orly? "Aim is ezpz" it may say hit, but only 1 pellet probably hit, add in the factor of 50/50 ap/hp dmg, and with a breaker that's 4 dmg to hp per hit.
1 pellet from a shotgun is better than missing with a rev.
Addiction
08-21-2007, 11:45 AM
so basicly its harder to aim with revs?
Harder? I said it wrong. What I'm saying is, is with revs, spam the general area and they're dead. Do that with shotguns and lag will make it miss. You can spam 500 dmg in under 3 seconds, and hit ezpz from any range. Please say shotguns are easier. If I get revs, 60% of my shots hit(I've got good aim when sniping) if I get 2 revs and spam them, I hit 90% of the time. If I spam 2 shotguns, I'll hit about the same amount, but only take around 30 dmg. Why? Because they spread makes it MISS.
EnhancedSpark
08-21-2007, 11:46 AM
Rifles takes the most aim to use by the way. I don't know why people say it's cheap and say omg spray noob.
Addiction
08-21-2007, 11:47 AM
1 pellet from a shotgun is better than missing with a rev.
1 pellet can hit where-as the other 11 would miss yes, but the revs shots WILL hit if they get rs spammed. More than shotguns.
HeavenlyFlow
08-21-2007, 11:48 AM
You can't RS revs.
Addiction
08-21-2007, 11:48 AM
Rifles takes the most aim to use by the way. I don't know why people say it's cheap and say omg spray noob.
^Pro story.
You can't RS revs.
RS is easier to say than swapshot. xP
mogshaz
08-21-2007, 11:48 AM
Wanna bet? Test it. Its harder to aim with shotguns. People say shotguns are overpowered. Orly? "Aim is ezpz" it may say hit, but only 1 pellet probably hit, add in the factor of 50/50 ap/hp dmg, and with a breaker that's 4 dmg to hp per hit.
one pellet hits, two pellets hits, doesn't really matter. a hit is a hit is a hit. we can just repeat "they work better in different situations" but, really that is obvious. the reason not every gun on earth works the same way is because they each have different purposes depending on the situation they were built for. a sword is not a spear and a spear is not an axe.
EnhancedSpark
08-21-2007, 11:50 AM
one pellet hits, two pellets hits, doesn't really matter. a hit is a hit is a hit. we can just repeat "they work better in different situations" but, really that is obvious. the reason not every gun on earth works the same way is because they each have different purposes depending on the situation they were built for. a sword is not a spear and a spear is not an axe.
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Addiction
08-21-2007, 11:50 AM
one pellet hits, two pellets hits, doesn't really matter. a hit is a hit is a hit. we can just repeat "they work better in different situations" but, really that is obvious. the reason not every gun on earth works the same way is because they each have different purposes depending on the situation they were built for. a sword is not a spear and a spear is not an axe.
Test it out. Get someone with 50 ping or lower. Then spam revs at them until dead. Do the same with SGs.(same range and stuff, make sure the person isn't walking towards you.)
EnhancedSpark
08-21-2007, 11:51 AM
Oh and one more thing, in item shop it says "50 damage." However, the bullets spread apart. Unless you are literally close enough to pb with a breaker, it will only do 25 damage.
HeavenlyFlow
08-21-2007, 11:51 AM
Test it out. Get someone with 50 ping or lower. Then spam revs at them until dead. Do the same with SGs.(same range and stuff, make sure the person isn't walking towards you.)
Now you're on damage.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS EASIER TO AIM.
IF JUST ONE PELLET HITS FROM A SG BUT NOT THE SINGLE BULLET FROM A REV WHICH IS EASIER?
THE SG.
Ffs.
tailsy
08-21-2007, 11:52 AM
Oh and one more thing, in item shop it says "50 damage." However, the bullets spread apart. Unless you are literally close enough to pb with a breaker, it will only do 25 damage.
you mean revolver not breaker?
Addiction
08-21-2007, 11:54 AM
Now you're on damage.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS EASIER TO AIM.
IF JUST ONE PELLET HITS FROM A SG BUT NOT THE SINGLE BULLET FROM A REV WHICH IS EASIER?
THE SG.
Ffs.
Who snipes with SGs.
Srsly.
HeavenlyFlow
08-21-2007, 11:55 AM
Who snipes with SGs.
Srsly.
Who misses the complete point of my post?
Srsly.
tailsy
08-21-2007, 12:54 PM
well the poll says it all
EnhancedSpark
08-21-2007, 01:11 PM
well the poll says it all
7-2
With this community where the average age is 11. Lmao.
p0l4rmaggie
08-21-2007, 01:18 PM
Rifle is the hardest weapon to aim? No... Maxwell might be the most accurate gun, but that does NOT make it the hardest to aim. Since it doesnt miss from very far range and shoots fast enough, its far from being hard to hit with.
HeavenlyFlow
08-21-2007, 01:19 PM
Does that have anything to do with a rev or a SG?
mogshaz
08-21-2007, 01:20 PM
7-2
With this community where the average age is 11. Lmao.
even eleven year olds understand the mechanics of a shotgun apparently.
p0l4rmaggie
08-21-2007, 01:42 PM
Does that have anything to do with a rev or a SG?
It has nothing to do with the POLL, but has everything to do with the TOPIC TITLE.
Notice, the polls often being different from the titles?
Oh well its not like im the first one to mention it, I was REPLYING to somebody else.
HeavenlyFlow
08-21-2007, 01:48 PM
Im sure he meant revs and SGs if you ready anything from the first page, of how it started with an argument with one person using revs and the other a SG.
MGSmaster101
08-21-2007, 01:57 PM
what takes better aim to USE?
revs
what takes less aiming skill to HIT the person
sg
what does more DAMMAGE
revs at long, sgs on close
it takes more skill to aim a revolver, due to the fact that it does not spread at ANY distance
SG does take less skill to aim, but at the cost it does very little dammage at far range
there u ahve it, 5 pages sumed up into 1 post
/discuss
ryouko
08-21-2007, 01:59 PM
Revs are alot harder beacause 1: Were you shoot is were it goes, so leading with revs is alot ahrder then sg since sg pellets spread.
tailsy
08-21-2007, 02:00 PM
7-2
With this community where the average age is 11. Lmao.
not even funny, seen as you need to be 13 to register
Addiction
08-21-2007, 02:03 PM
Revs are alot harder beacause 1: Were you shoot is were it goes, so leading with revs is alot ahrder then sg since sg pellets spread.
My point is, spam them. You will hit alot more than if you spam SGs.
MGSmaster101
08-21-2007, 02:04 PM
oh lol, i dint kno u had to b 13+ to register
yes, read meh post
tailsy
08-21-2007, 02:07 PM
My point is, spam them. You will hit alot more than if you spam SGs.
you have exactly the same effect if you spam them both, its the same shot just faster
MGSmaster101
08-21-2007, 02:12 PM
exactly, were not talking about swapshoting
god, read my post, or am i gonna have to quote it?
HeavenlyFlow
08-21-2007, 02:20 PM
Tailsy started the topic.
Doesn't matter what you're rambling about.
MGSmaster101
08-21-2007, 02:34 PM
what takes better aim to USE?
revs
what takes less aiming skill to HIT the person
sg
what does more DAMMAGE
revs at long, sgs on close
it takes more skill to aim a revolver, due to the fact that it does not spread at ANY distance
SG does take less skill to aim, but at the cost it does very little dammage at far range
there u ahve it, 5 pages sumed up into 1 post
/discuss
*cough* there u have it, simple
there is no "easiest to use", considering each of them requires a click to use
easiest to AIM is sg, becuase it takes no aim
tailsy
08-21-2007, 02:47 PM
*cough* there u have it, simple
there is no "easiest to use", considering each of them requires a click to use
easiest to AIM is sg, becuase it takes no aim
ur gonna get flamed by the MT clan now
MGSmaster101
08-21-2007, 02:50 PM
really?
good
let them
it just shows how immature they truly are
Kalky
08-21-2007, 02:50 PM
ur gonna get flamed by the MT clan now
Why would we flame him? :\
...
tailsy
08-21-2007, 02:53 PM
cause almost everyone in MT clan loves shotguns and keep saying there the best weapon
MGSmaster101
08-21-2007, 02:54 PM
shotguns suck O.o
a rev/rife combo is teh best
Addiction
08-21-2007, 02:55 PM
Tailsy started the topic.
Doesn't matter what you're rambling about.
No I did. In-game and in-forums.
Addiction
08-21-2007, 02:56 PM
really?
good
let them
it just shows how immature they truly are
Flame us because..???? Seriously. Don't flame people randomly.
ur gonna get flamed by the MT clan now
We don't flame without reason. Why would we flame someone because of a shotgun? Srsly.
tailsy
08-21-2007, 02:57 PM
every weapon suits different styles of gameplay better, so i dont care what weapon you use, but it is still hard to get a hit with revs then shotguns, just look at the poll
Kalky
08-21-2007, 02:57 PM
cause almost everyone in MT clan loves shotguns and keep saying there the best weapon
So because people prefer shotgun and he doesn't we should just start flaming him?
Nice way to see us... guess we should flame u too for using the weapons u prefer?
ZzZ
MGSmaster101
08-21-2007, 02:58 PM
the immature comment is conditional, if u flamed me, u'd b immature
but since u dint flame me, ur alrite :)
tailsy
08-21-2007, 03:00 PM
just let the thread die now, i just wanted a poll
Whist
08-21-2007, 03:04 PM
Not everyone swapshots.
That's their problem.
TurtlePowar
08-21-2007, 05:17 PM
revs 100% of the time.
loupgarou
08-21-2007, 05:31 PM
shotgun requires mroe accuracy if you're NOT swapping/rsing (i.e. you only have one shotgun on you and one other weapon) revs require more accuracy if you're using two shotguns.
strikerbolt
08-21-2007, 05:51 PM
in the end, i voted Shotgun.
Why? Cuz I fail at using it.